Rose Keepers Data Base

Great list you have there Barb, a lot I have never heard off

Hi Thee,
it's a bit of a mixed bag. Old ones and new ones. I love some of the older roses. It's a pity you can never find them as bare root roses. I really like the single roses too. Lovely and dainty.
Barbara B

Hello Barbara, I have just seen your list of roses ! I look forward to tallking roses with you. How big is your garden ?

Hi Rosemeadow,
it's about two and a half acres. We're very busy revamping all our border plantings. They were mostly Australian natives and have passed their use-by date so we're replacing them.
It's a lot of work, but we've done three of the four fencelines now - only another one to go.
Barbara B

Hello Barbara, 'What a list!!
Maybe a list of roses you haven't got would be shorter! LOL
Your garden must be a mass of colour when they're all in bloom.

Hi,
last year I broke my left arm on 30th June. I didn't know how I was going to get the pruning done because it was a very painful avulsion fracture. A "doggy" friend who is also a gardener came and spent two days and pruned the lot. Garden people and dog people are pretty nice.
Each year in November we have a sort of "fun day" for the folk who own shelties and it's usually looking its best then. It's a lovely sight to see the flowers and all these pretty dogs running around enjoying themselves.
Barbara B

It must be a lovely day on your "Fun Day" Barbara. November is a great month for the roses. Another 3 months to wait

A cautionary tale - I'm an old-rose rescuer, and have learnt the hard way that roses doing it tough on roadsides or in derelict gardens can go berserk in good garden conditions. I recently had 3 trailerloads of suckerers pulled out of my garden, and I had to pay full dump fees for them because roses are classed as environmental weeds at SA dumps, and can't go into the Council mulch. Teas, Chinas, Polyanthas and HTs don't sucker on their own roots, but if you are thinking of growing other types, ask the donor first if they sucker. If they do, you're best to consider budding them or growing them in large tubs.
Here is my Never-Again list:
R bracteata anywhere in any form
Ramblers allowed to touch down
Own-root in the garden -
rugosas and hybrid rugosas
spring-flowerers including most species (Scotch roses are the worst)
many HPs and damask perpetuals, probably Bourbons too.
A couple of other thoughts; Dianne Ackland is apparently working on a new edition of the Australian Rose Directory (buy what where), but it can't be easy with so many nurseries killed by the drought.
Quarantine restrictions for things entering SA have become much tighter in the last few weeks.

We'll be chasing not-in-commerce 19th century foundlings (excluding Old European garden roses and ramblers) for a collection at Ruston's (if quarantine will let them in). Where did your unknown gallica/China come from, and does it have a study name? Where does Grandma Domeny rose come from? Is it a foundling, and do you know what class it is? Thanks.

Hi Margaret... who are you asking these questions???

Billndee, based on their Assorted list on page 1 of this grouping. I made two errors; it was aan unknown cerise gallica/centifolia, therefore probably not suitable for Renmark (they don't get enough winter chill there), and the spelling of the other was Grandma Domeney.

Hi Margaret,
Here are some photos of my found gallica and the climber I have called Grandma Domeney. I would love to know the real names of both of them.
Would it help if I took photos of the leaves and stems?
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/billndee58/UnknownGallica#
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/billndee58/GrandmaDomeney#

Does the lack of chill only prevent them from flowering or does it also impede their growth? I noticed the Ruston's database has over 50 differrent Gallica listed.

Actually Dee... I don't known it is a Gallica... has a lot of features in common with one of my bourbons called 'Vivid'.

And.... I love the crepe-like petals on the pink climber dubbed Grandma Domenery

I will, however, move this discussion to the Rose Sleuth forums for heritage rose IDs instead of leaving it here in the RKD where no-one will be able to find it again I'll start a post there and put up a photo of 'Vivid' for you to look at. Of course, it's difficult to tell from photos... so if you would like a few cuttings of my 'Vivid' to try and grow side by side with your plant just give me a yell

Your pics did well, showing leaves, prickles, bud from the side as well as flowers. I'm poor at Iding old roses, but it's useful to have hip pics if they set any. Do either of them repeat-flower? Do they sucker? Do they get black spot?
I think the lack of winter chill makes the Old Europeans less likely to flower, but it doesn't stop them growing. A cemetery garden I help look after has Charles de Mills suckering madly but I haven't seen a flower on it in the last 4 years. It's variable; some gallicas flower well at Ruston's, which does get frosts.