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Gary's rose obelisk

Post by Admin on 23rd March 2010, 00:02

Thinking about the photos Gary showed of his obelisks I decided to make some plans to build some myself. It's a little harder to do than it looks when all the angles are considered, so instead of placing the rungs of the obelisk on the outsdie I decided to attach them within the uprights. I found the angles easier to picture this way.

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The apex is formed around a square profile length of timber 18.7cm long. You can see this in the transparency of the above closeup. All joins are simple cross-grain butt joins either glued and screwed or glued and nailed.

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I haven't placed the distances between each rung in this model yet. It's easily workled out from the plan, however, allowing all the dimensions to be measured accurately. Working on a way to link the SketchUp file here. It's flat on top so any kind of fineal can be placed on top. Uprights is from 75x50mm treated pine ripped down to 50x50mm. Rungs are standard 42 x 20mm treated pine.



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Post by Balinbear on 23rd March 2010, 09:15

Well done. Provided the uprights are straight they should fit together easily.

The twisting of the timber cut from the sleepers was the biggest problem that i had. Once you got the angles worked out it was easy to cut them.

Its a simple sort of satand when you look at others around but it does the job and if the rose grows over it you cannot see it (ie hides the mistakes!!!).

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Re: Gary's rose obelisk

Post by Admin on 27th March 2010, 20:49

I agree... it's a simple sort of stand which means you can make more of them quickly and cheaply and it isn't going to be pulled apart by the rose any time soon and by the time the rose grows through it you can't really see it anyway. So many of the very best roses are climbers but you very quickly run out of wall space so being able to put them anywhere is a big plus IMO.

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Post by Balinbear on 27th March 2010, 21:56

Here's a simple trellis that we have 8 plants of Souvenir Madame de Leoine Vernot growing on.

This photo was taken in September last year. The rose covers it now.

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Post by Admin on 27th March 2010, 22:14

SdmLV doesn't grow that quickly down here Sad Are your plants grafted or own root? Mine is an own root, small cutting, and I think it is going to take some time before it starts to take off. Are the gang nails the only things holding those diagonals on? I always worry those things will not offer much resistance when a rose decides to flex its muscles. The bolt through the horizontal beam would more than compensate for this I guess as the diagonals are only there to prevent sagging and twisting...

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Post by Balinbear on 27th March 2010, 23:11

The top cross piece is bolted to the post. There are a couple of galv batten screws attaching the diagonals to the post. There are also batten screws where the gang nails are holding the bits together. I put the gang nails on fitst and then the screws as it is easier that way.

The plants are all own root that we did from another plant we have here. This a photo taken a few weeks ago. It is lokking up between the two trellises. and you can just see the plants on top of the wires. Up here she grows quite rapidly
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Post by Balinbear on 12th May 2010, 15:02

Simon

Did you get to build your obelisk?

GAry
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Post by Admin on 12th May 2010, 15:26

That's a job for the holidays in 2 weeks Gary... one of MANY...

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Post by Balinbear on 12th May 2010, 15:33

Sounds like your holidays are like mine.
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Post by Admin on 30th December 2011, 18:02

I was looking at this again and thinking there was a lot of angles to try and get right and a lot of fiddling around in this model. So I modfied it and made it much easier. Once cut to length, there is only two cuts to make on each leg now to get it ready for the spars. Should be real easy to make and take no more than about half an hour including marking up and cutting Smile Should also be real cheap to make too.

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Re: Gary's rose obelisk

Post by AutumnDamask on 30th December 2011, 20:48

*haz an envy*
One day....


I must admit to lusting after this design used at Castle Howard: love
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For the truely ambitious home handyperson though!
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 31st December 2011, 06:27

Wendy, the answer to you problem is get Gary and Simon over to your place for the weekend and between them your building projects will be all completed. lol!
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Post by AutumnDamask on 31st December 2011, 08:24

roflmao
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Re: Gary's rose obelisk

Post by RitaG on 31st December 2011, 16:03

Oooh, and when you're finished with putting both of them to good use, can you please ship them over to my place Wendy ... I could sure use a couple of those classy obelisks in my front garden Laughing cheers
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Post by RitaG on 31st December 2011, 16:11

How sublime is that winter photo of The South Lake at Castle Howard ...
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be still my heart! They may have been filthy rich, but they sure knew how to use their wealth to create beauty and class extraordinaire! And now the whole world can enjoy it too.
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Re: Gary's rose obelisk

Post by Ozeboy on 31st December 2011, 16:19

I like those great drawings and discussions re the angles etc.
Is it necessary? You can't beat drilling a hole in the ends and wireing them together at the top. Then drill a hole in the bottoms to take a 5/8" rio bar. The rose will cover it anyway.

There is an old shed next to me made from round bush timber, wired together and covered with corrugated iron. It sways in stiff winds but will probably outlast every shed in the district.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st January 2012, 09:31

Wendy how are the boys going with the obelisk. Can we have photo's please. The other question which design did they go with and who is the leading hand on the job site. I guess we will call you the forewoman Thumbsup lol!
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Post by Carole on 2nd January 2012, 23:48

Wendy, when you have finished with Simon and Gary. Can you send them up to me please flower
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Post by AutumnDamask on 3rd January 2012, 06:12

lol!
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