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"Brisbane Blush"

Post by Guest on 31st January 2010, 19:02

A great Aussie-bred rose, "Brisbane Blush" is one of my "cannot imagine living without" roses.

It gets minimal BS here (certainly much less than many other better known overseas-bred roses that I have), repeats quickly & never fails to get lots of attention from visitors.


Bred by Long, 1993. ("Golden Slippers" x "Lavendula") x "Prima Ballerina".

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st February 2010, 06:39

Damo, love the lighter reverse of it, any pong to it.
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Post by Guest on 1st February 2010, 19:51

G'day roseman! Smile

Usually the lighter reverse is just expressed as a lighter base to each petal. The colour is somewhat harsher/ stronger than in the pic at times as well...always nice though!

I plunged my snozz into a bloom this morning (before the heat of the day) & the fragrance was moderate (sweet & fresh).

I have some really nice pics of "Brisbane Blush" still on my camera but after 2 hours of trying I still cannot get the pics onto my computer!

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Post by rosemeadow on 1st February 2010, 22:51

Isn't it frustrating when things like that happen, Damo.
Where did you get your Brisbane Blush from ? Great photo, and it sure looks healthy.

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Post by Guest on 2nd February 2010, 01:22

Technology is NOT my friend rosemeadow LOL

I think I got "Brisbane Blush" from Trewallyn Nursery at Bundaberg QLD (in 2004) but I am not 100% sure anymore.

I think, grown in better conditions, my plant of "Brisbane Blush" could be even better. It is in poor soil & surrounded by bigger roses ("Cousin Essie","Centenaire de Lourdes", "Poulsen's Delight" & "Traviata")...

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Post by Ozeboy on 10th February 2010, 10:31

Damo great to see Aussie roses an airing here. They should be healthier than the European roses in our country unless first cross from the usual run of European snow roses.

One of the problems is our population is too small for patenting roses bred by Aussies because of the huge costs involved. Nurseries will not sell roses without PBR protection enabling them to get large prices without competition. Patenting becomes a global thing to spread the costs of the patent. My local nursery roses are 99% patented. Black Boy is stocked but never given a high profile position.

There are a lot of old roses to choose from but few fit into a small formal garden. The population in capital cities is growing and so is the demand for fragrant HT roses. If they were healthy then they would stay but unfortunatly many prove to be too hard to keep looking good.

This is where these Aussies should be of great benefit even if bred from some of the better performing roses in heat from overseas.

I have a lot of larger roses suitable for acres and large country grounds but have recently taken an interest in Aussie HT's so am looking to propagate some of the best of them. Being a 3rd generation Australian has also helped with this decision.

Anyone wishing to procure Aussies or have any that could be of interest both for breeding from or propagating for sale to help pay for my pots,potting mix and water then I would be delighted to hear from you.
Thank you to those who have helped recently with budwood. Am happy to pay all costs and send a copy of budwood collection notes

Let's keep it in the country and buy Australian

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Post by Admin on 10th February 2010, 20:20

I think, Bruce, that Aussie breeders need to become a bit more proactive and approach the larger growers who can afford to register PBR for any plant. The cost of getting a PBR is fully outlined in the link in the links section on PBRs. What a breeder can do is contact the larger growers and arrange a licensing deal with them so that they are given the rights to propagate and then pass on royalties to the breeder. The other option for Aussie breeders is to take advantage of online markets and propagate and sell their own roses by mailorder. I think also that if there were Aussie breeders who would form a cooperative and work together to market their roses privately then Aussie roses would get out there far more easily. Also in the links section is a link to the international central rose registration body where the name is regsitered. It costs nothing to register the name of the rose. The initial costs of getting a PBR is about $2000 (it's been a while since I checked) and then an ongoing fee of about $300/year for the life of the PBR (20 years). The costs are spread out quite well I think but to justify the cost one would need to sell a lot of roses. I like the idea of striking exclusive deals with the Aussie growers and arranging licenses and royalties... then the cost of the PBR can be taken up by the larger grower and the breeder will get ongoing benefits for the next 20 years (or however long it stays in their catalogues)... there is nothing saying you must get a PBR either... registering the rose under a certain name only protects the name... the PBR is the best option we have of ensuring the breeder is more fully compensated for the development of their roses. So... I reckon there are a few options out there... and as with anything you have to chase it.

EDIT: to add to the confusion... growers who export to international markets need to get patents specific to the various countries as patents are not cosmopolitan... an Australian PBR doesn't have any legal standing in, for example, the U.S. That's why when you look on places like HMF a rose can have a U.S. patent, an Australian PBR etc ... they seem to be a lot more liberal about it in Europe.


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Post by Ozeboy on 10th February 2010, 22:09

Thanks Simon you have covered some issues that were new to me.

Should one of us hit the jackpot with a really worthwhile rose then they should be rewarded to finance further breeding. I used to make target projectiles that established a new world record. Some shooters asked me what it was like to be famous. My reply usually went like "Not as good as I imagine being rich and famous"

Iceberg is one of the Aussie success stories, perhaps the breeders can add to our comments. In the past I read an article by this breeder alerting breeders to fully protect their new worthwhile roses.

Does anyone have this article?

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Post by Admin on 10th February 2010, 22:33

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Post by Admin on 10th February 2010, 22:35

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Post by Guest on 16th February 2010, 14:35

Wow! Some great info & ideas above Bruce & Simon. Smile

I am trying to find out if a new addition to my collection, "The Southern Highlands Rose" (a newish? pink HT), is an Aussie-bred rose!?! It has a TM on the tag after its name but none of the usual patent info/ code etc. Dunno

Below is another Aussie I have! This is "Rene's Rose":


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Post by Admin on 16th February 2010, 19:32

There is also a trade mark search function somewhere... will go for a look and see if I can find it and will come back and edit this post. Ok.. found one but it's a bit strange and I couldn't find it... quick question/comment... The use of a trade mark as the name of the actual rose variety is an incorrect use of the a trade mark and by using the name of the variety as the trade mark it actually makes the trade mark invalid. On the other hand... if the trademark denotes a series to which the rose belongs (like Flower Carpet is the trade mark of the Flower Carpet series and then the registered name comes after it... e.g. Flower Carpet ™ 'Amber'). Is there any other name on the tag that may be the actualy name of this rose and The Southern Highlands Rose might be the trade marked name? To use another example... we call our property here 'Cherokee Hill', after my favourite rose; the Cherokee Rose (R. laevigata). I could trade mark this and market all my roses as Cherokee Hill 'rose name'. So if I decide to register and release 'Kindred Ice' then it will be correctly referred to as Cherokee Hill ™ 'Kindred Ice'. No one can sell this rose as a Cherokee Hill rose but they can sell it as just plan old 'Kindred Ice', can rename it as they want or even worse, re-register it as their own I don't think so! . If I also got a PBR then it would be correctly written as Cherokee Hill™ 'Kindred Ice' [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] with the PBR symbol after it and this protects against the fraudulent use of my trade mark (Cherokee Hill) and the unlicenced propagation of 'Kindred Ice' (which as I found out recently is not policed but is up to the holder of the PBR to pursue... and that sucks). So I'd be looking for another name on the tag somewhere... if there isn't one they've done it wrong and the trade mark is invalid.

Incidently... PBRs in Australia really price out the little guy and help to create these large conglomerate monopolies that we seem to like here... too many of the big wigs who make the policies here have their fingers in too many of the big pies and now it's the tail wagging the dog IMO. For me to get a PBR would cost me something like $8000 over the life of the PBR... at about $10-15 bucks each I'd have to sell somewhere in the vicinity of 500-800 roses of this variety to make my money back... all for the priviledge of protecting my propagation rights. So the big growers can choose to license a rose for you and get a PBR for it... but this is a cost they write-off because they know that the real money is not in the rose itself... it's in the after market sales of all the crap you need to keep some of these sickly dogs growing... hence the relative disinterest in breeding roses for Australian climates that are healthier and the domination of large exhibition style roses that require so much pampering... it's a sucker's game to breed roses here because you will never make any money out of it I fear... unless... Australian breeders go around the big guys and form a cooperative and market each other's roses in a combined collegial effort. I sincerely believe this and I hear about so-and-so supporting Australian breeders etc but the truth is the number of unsuitable foreign crap that we keep getting far out-weighs the really good Australian bred roses (because there is no incentive to do it properly apart from personal satisfaction, which is why I do it). Anyway... will get off my Rant before I start naming names and breaking my own cardinal rule of not being litigious Rolling Eyes


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Post by Guest on 16th February 2010, 20:48

Hmmmm it gets stranger...

The front of the tag has: The Southern Highlands RoseTM

The back has: The Southern Highlands RoseTM

Different words in bold! I don't know how to do the little TM BTW! LOL

There is nothing else.

This rose is exclusive to one nursery only (apparently).

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Post by Guest on 16th February 2010, 20:56

And BTW Simon...I agree with everything you said re PBR's. It's all a bit off-putting TBH!!!

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Post by Admin on 16th February 2010, 21:08

Yeah - it's a bit weird Damian... probably just a gimick Rolling Eyes

Yeah on the off-putting thing too... it takes something in the order of 6-8 years to trial a variety for commerical release and so far, in these early stages of my rose breeding foray, I'm growing about 1000 seedlings and throwing out 980-990 of them to keep about 10-20 past the first year and of these I will probably only keep one or two. They might be breeders only or they might qualify for release. It takes a lot to build up a portfolio of varieties that you can call your own (if you are being fair-dinkum with yourself and culling as hard as you need to) and it takes a lot of time, space, and money (to buy initial breeding stock). If I wasn't so hooked on it I'd be mad for trying! I need my head read I reckon Rolling Eyes Now I want to build a long greenhouse to house my breeders and raise the seedlings Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on 16th February 2010, 21:29

Hahaha they are probably just bluffin' ... it is a veeeeeeeery nice rose though! These days it takes a lot to turn my head but this one sure did & it is simply a pink HT afterall LOL! Its scent is up there with the best my nose has ever encountered & everything else seems to be well above average too (health, colour, size of bloom)! Really lovely...


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Post by Guest on 13th July 2010, 20:09

FWIW I recently found out that 'The Southern Highlands Rose' was bred in France (but I still don't know by which breeder) so it is not an Australian-bred rose!

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Post by Admin on 13th July 2010, 20:23

So is SHR a study name?

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Post by Guest on 13th July 2010, 20:37

I'm not sure what you mean by study name Simon?

It is the name it is marketed under (on the tag) but the rose has no code name like most other new release roses!

I want to use this rose in a couple of crosses this coming season but info on it is very limited!

I saw the 'Firestar' rose today & will go back & buy one tomorrow; it looks nice!

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Post by Admin on 13th July 2010, 20:49

A study name is a name given to an unknown rose so that it can be known as something while it is being identified. It usually denotes information about a person or place where it was found (a little like provenance I guess).

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Post by Guest on 13th July 2010, 21:05

Oh OK (& of course, LOL @ my own stupidity). As far as I can tell - from the little I have been told - the rose is new to Australia & has never had any previous name here other than the one it has now! I'll find out more oneday I'm sure...

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Post by Ozeboy on 14th July 2010, 11:04

Simon, keep in there, I am sure you will make it for you have youth and knowledge. I can't imagine going right back to the species at my stage of life but there are some better roses appearing. One is at Trewallyn called Carefree Wonder, I think it has Prairie Princess in its pedigree. ( Memory failing , check for yourself)
They seem to be concentrating on healthier roses for east coast of Oz where the greater population is.
About time we had healthy roses that don't need proping up with chemicals to keep them looking reasonable. There are some good ones out there apart from the Tea's, Chinas and Noisettes, just a matter of finding them.

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Post by Balinbear on 14th July 2010, 12:33

Bruce

We had a Carefree Wonder once but it did not perfrom all that well for us though this was early in our rose growing experience.

In saying this I doubt that many of our teas etc receive much more attention than it received.

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Post by Ozeboy on 15th July 2010, 10:04

Simon, it takes money and a lot of time to source the breeders and a lot more time to get future breeders bred from these.
I usually measure my progress by the numbers bred that are better than the parents, as good as, equal to or worse.
I am beginning to see how much more difficult rose breeding is compared to chook breeding as it takes so long to be able to grade a plant and bring it to market.
Perhaps investigating all the short cuts would be very worthwhile, embryo extraction and budding very young plants onto a two year old Multiflora would be worthwhile. The latter I will do this season.

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Post by Admin on 15th July 2010, 17:10

Tell me about it Rolling Eyes I reckon I have spent about $3000 over the last 4 years trying to buy roses for specific projects and goals... and there are more that I would like to throw into the fray as well... that's why I think the Rose Hunter's section here is vital so we can help each other source material. I'm all for supporting specialist rose nurseries but don't want to do it single-handedly Rolling Eyes Have you checked your 'Australian Beauty' cuttings? I'm going to check mine tonight to see how things are shaping up.

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