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Post by Sandie on 20th May 2009, 08:23

Very slow site this morning and hanging also. Sad
In my research for another site I have discovered the name of a previously undocumented rose bred by
Alister Clark.
A real thrill I can tell you.
The name of this rose is Quick Sticks-anyone interested in further details can message me.
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Post by Guest on 20th May 2009, 11:30

Great new Sandie and well done!

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Post by Carole on 20th May 2009, 23:12

Sandie, This sounds like an exciting discovery. What colour is" Quick Sticks" and shape, type, scent and any other details. Where did you find the details (I sound like 20 questions. )Sorry to be so inquisitive but you sounded so thrilled I want to know more about this rose Very Happy and I would love to see a picture bounce Carole
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Post by Admin on 20th May 2009, 23:52

That's a great name for a rose too... how does one go about researching an ID like this?

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Post by Sandie on 21st May 2009, 05:47

I have to clarify this-I found the NAME of a new A.C. rose-NOT the rose itself.
The rose may be extinct like so many other A.C. roses-or it may be lurking somewhere
waiting for an ID.
Particulars about the rose can be found at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Post by Dave on 22nd May 2009, 06:23

A great find, Sandie! Well done! In my 1948 Rose Annual, it's not listed in AC's compilation of released roses. But the list does contain six not listed by Peter Cox - Dorothy Mollison, Fanny Bullivant, John Cronin, Sophie Mackinnon, Sunday Best and Bonnie Doon. Maybe they are in Tom Garnett's "Man of Roses" - a book I don't have.

I've got a found rose now budded and growing well that is a "maybe" AC. From my detailed photos it was independently suggested by some of the "Tea Ladies" and Susan Irvine that it looked more like an AC than anything else. So I'm sending a plant to John Nieuwesteeg this winter. Positive ID is very difficult but the mystery of it all is half the fun!

Good luck in your research.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 22nd May 2009, 06:28

Dave, I think Simon has just purchased that book from overseas, he might be able to help you out. Not sure when his school project will let him near the forum or you could PM him yourself.
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Post by Sandie on 22nd May 2009, 07:51

Hi Dave-I would be really interested in seeing pics of your rose.
I don't have Susan Irvine's book either-a very large oversight LOL!
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Post by Dave on 22nd May 2009, 08:13

Sandie I'll send you a PM. I haven't got time at the moment to figure out posting pics here. I'll have to ring Simon after he's spent all that loot! And I'll be in Europe next month taking more than "few" rose pics lol
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 22nd May 2009, 12:33

Dave, I put my hand up first to carry the bags.
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Post by Admin on 22nd May 2009, 16:18

'Quick-Sticks' (sounds like a climber doesn't it Wink ), isn't in 'A Man of Roses'. If anyone would like a copy of all the AC roses listed let me know as there are some on the list that are not on HMF.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 23rd May 2009, 07:06

Dave, did I get the gig to carry the bags,BTW which parts of Europe are we going to.
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Post by Dave on 24th May 2009, 07:01

Simon I would love a full list of all AC roses.

Sandie, did you get my pm?

David, you're all invited to jump in my bag, as long as you pay the excess LOL

Itinerary not finalised yet, (I'm accompanying my elderly uncle to the UK) But on the short list: Mottisfont, Sissinghurst, Roserie de L'Hay (Paris) and Stockholm. Only got 2 weks max.

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Post by Sandie on 24th May 2009, 09:02

Got no PM Dave. Sad
Your planned trip sounds wonderful-roses roses all the way.
Lots of photos please. Smile
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Post by Dave on 24th May 2009, 09:47

How could I forget Uncle Dave Austin at Albrighton? He's only only a short drive away from where I'm staying. This will be my second lucky visit to his glorious gardens. There was a large new walled garden just planted when i was there a few years ago. Will be interesting to see the growth. Please place your orders now for the new releases LOL!

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Post by Carole on 24th May 2009, 11:47

Dave the walled garden is terrific, we were there 2 years ago this month. When you get there, you will see that they have used "The Generous Gardener" in a lot of places. Tell me what you think of it please.
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Post by Admin on 24th May 2009, 14:59

I'll scan the list tonight Dave and PM them through to you Thumbsup I think the list comes with a caveat though... it has been shown that this book has been incorrect, based on current information, on one occassion already. It would be useful and interesting at any rate.

Dave, have you got Mrs Harold Alston? If not I'll bud you one up and send it to you next spring/summer.

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Post by Dave on 25th May 2009, 06:27

Thanks, Simon. Just received your list. Much appreciated.
Would love to try Mrs HA. Have to confess that a lot of AC roses I've tried here don't thrive. Lorraine Lee is the best. Sunny South is OK. But they all burn in the sun (+humidity I suspect) Daydream is the worst - petals fry as soon as the sun shines LOL. I've got a hunch they do better in less humid Mediterranean climates. Also serious dieback, eg Cicelely Lascelles, Editor Stewart. May be the understock? Dunno.

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Post by rosemeadow on 8th August 2009, 20:52

Sandie, thanks for that rose forum site, I have saved it so I can go back and have a good read. Great photo of Madame Hardy there.
Dave, can you send me a photo of your Alister Clark rose you might have, please, when you have time ?

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Post by Sandie on 11th August 2009, 03:57

Thanks rosemeadow-I am glad you like the site.
I am adding stuff almost daily.
The forum is very secondary at the moment as all my time is spent
researching etc. Hopefully one day I will have time to kick it off. LOL!
Isn't Mme Hardy the most beautiful rose? Perfection!
Simon-you might want to check out the articles on hybridizing by
Schoener and Van Fleet at the beginning of the 1900's.
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