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Post by Kangaroze on 8th September 2016, 16:59

Hi I'm new around here. I come from Bendigo in central Vic.
I found this site while looking for an answer to a problem. I have been growing roses for 25 years or so and have never had this problem. I am thinking it might be Crown Gall which I have never had on my roses that I am aware of.
I was weeding underneath my Fragrant Cloud rose (which I have had for 16 years) when it exposed the roots. I noticed this weird looking formation below the crown. It was beneath the soil so I have never noticed it before. It looks like lumpy bits of cork for lack of a better description. I pulled pieces off to examine and I am thinking that it is Crown Gall (judging from my research online) The rose has just thrown on all its lovely new growth of burgundy foliage and looks healthy and has always been reasonably so for this rose so I will be reluctant to dig it up and throw it out!! I have already removed all my beautiful roses from out the front so I am reluctant to lose any from the back.
I'm sure there will be a post somewhere on the boards so I will have a look around.

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Post by neptune on 8th September 2016, 17:16

Welcome to RoseTalk , Kaye...... feel free to ask as many question as you like....

By chance can you get a photo of this growth to show us?
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Post by Kangaroze on 8th September 2016, 17:35

Thanks Neptune I will go take some photos now   Thumbsup
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Post by LouiseJB on 8th September 2016, 18:31

Welcome to the forum, Kaye!
I have never seen crown gall so I am quite interested to see the photos and hear the resulting diagnosis.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th September 2016, 19:57

Hi Kaye, Welcome.

How old is the rose ? That is my first question.
Have any others had this problem.
Do you know where it was purchased ?
If it is "gall" it normally does not come from the rose you purchased. The flower part(scion) does not carry it. It can come from the rootstock, or it can be in the soil. Have ther been roses in that bed/area before?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th September 2016, 20:18

Kaye are some shots of crown gall from the computer, is this what you have ?

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Post by Kangaroze on 9th September 2016, 17:44

The Lazy Rosarian wrote:Hi Kaye, Welcome.

How old is the rose ? That is my first question.
Have any others had this problem.
Do you know where it was purchased ?
If it is "gall" it normally does not come from the rose you purchased. The flower part(scion) does not carry it. It can come from the rootstock, or it can be in the soil. Have ther been roses in that bed/area before?


1. The rose is 16 years old
2. No other of the 65 roses I have had in this time have ever had it that I am aware of
3. Can't remember where it was purchased, too long ago
4. This is the only rose ever grown in this position, it has been there for the whole 16 years

It has had suckers from time to time that I have removed and I removed another one recently.
It has been raining non stop here so have not been able to get photos yet.

Those photos above are varied but one looks like a possibility Rolling Eyes
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 10th September 2016, 06:33

Morning Kaye,
Ok from what you have just said might indicate it "might" not be gall.
Is what you are seeing above ground ?
Most galls are below or at the soil level.
Kaye you mention "suckers", this is not a good sign, these normally appear if the rose is stressed or the rootstock is damaged. At any stage has the rootstock flowered ?. As you are in Victoria, I am gussing that the rootstock is the Dr, Dr Huey, it is used by most of the nurseries in Vic and SA.. It will take over your rose if allowed to. I will go and get a photo of crown gall on my old Cecille Brunner/Bloomfield Abundance and place it on here shortly for you to compare. Mine is that big, it is above the ground and below.
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Post by Kangaroze on 10th September 2016, 08:59

It is only below ground level. I did not know it was there until I pulled back the soil and saw it underneath the shank.
Yes I live in Vic.
The suckers have never flowered as I pull them out before that happens. Rain has gone so will take photos.


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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 10th September 2016, 15:07

Just out of curiosity, what is the name of the rose ?
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Post by Kangaroze on 11th September 2016, 10:11

The Lazy Rosarian wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is the name of the rose ?

Fragrant Cloud
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Post by Kangaroze on 11th September 2016, 16:30

Having trouble uploading photos. Have tried a couple of different ways but its not letting them through it keeps saying Error.
It did let me at first but then something called Servimg emailed me with my username from here suggesting that I upload photos with them?? Not sure if its a bot or something you use here but I also had a message that was rubbish.
I did try with Photobucket but it will only give the urls separately, not directly give the pics. Which is a long way around looking at pics.
So if anyone has suggestions it would be much appreciated.
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Post by Balinbear on 11th September 2016, 21:45

I think there is a time break between when you register and when you are able to upload photos.

I uploaded one tonight and it worked okay.
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Post by Kangaroze on 12th September 2016, 13:49

ok it likes me now Very Happy
The first pic is a piece I broke off, the second pic is the same piece turned over and the 3rd pic is the rose bush.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 13th September 2016, 06:38

Kaye, yes definately "gall", I reckon it is "root gall", it is a bug, I have placed a link below for some reading. If the rose was mine one that I maintain I would dig it up, cut the infected area back harshly, if it is only on the roots this will be easy, if it is on the main rootstock stem I would cut it back and even go to the point of trimming more of the infected area back with a sharp knife, I have in the past used a disposable scalpal just to get more of it off. I would remove a large area of soil from where it was dug up and replant if you want to keep this rose. The other alternative would be find it a new place in your garden, Also later in the season you could try taking some cuttings of it, if it is sentimental or if the gall returns or even worse takes over. Some nurseries or large shops might carry anti bacterial products, even if you can't find any I would wash it in a bleach or even vinegar, let it dry and then wipe petroleum jelly over the wound, this also might retard the infection.

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Post by Kangaroze on 13th September 2016, 08:37

Thanks for that. I thought it probably was but have never seen it before and yes it is on the roots.
The only thing is if it got into this one after 16 years it might also get into others I have nearby Crying or Very sad
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 13th September 2016, 12:23

It can be in the soil, not nessescary come with the plant.
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Post by Kangaroze on 13th September 2016, 13:24

Is there a way to test the soil?
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Post by neptune on 13th September 2016, 17:36

Probably a chemistry laboratory will be able to help.....
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 13th September 2016, 18:35

not the total area. Alab test most probally won't pick it up Neptune(John), as it is a bacterial fungus from memory.
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