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Post by silkyfizz on 9th April 2015, 22:04

What roses have been brilliant successes in your garden since spring? Have there been any disappointing ones?

My list of winners:
Queen Adelaide (Yves Piaget)
Parole
Firefighter
Abraham Darby
Chartreuse de Parme
Grimaldi
Jessika
Ashram
Pierre de Ronsard
Best Friend

Disappointing:
Graham Thomas
Ebb Tide
Just Joey
Charles de Gaulle
Julia's Rose
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 10th April 2015, 07:17

Silky I can understand some of your disappointments, others surprise me.
Julia's rose is a rose that you have to like or hate, I love it, it is a small plant all of it's life in my opinion, but with saying that I have recently seen it in climbing form and it had good growth and lots of flowers.
Just Joey surprises me intensely, it is a standout rose when I have every seen it.
Graham Thomas, should be brilliant in Victorian climates I would think.
As for 'Ebb Tide' or it's decendant 'Twilight Zone' the jury is still out on it here.
Silky are some of your 'disappointments in the same bed as the good ones, if so I wonder if it is the rootstock, this can be a problem sometimes and as Betsy has mentioned in another thread about the 'clone' which you plant was budded from can be the issue as well.
I like the the winners list, we have some of them and they are performing well here.
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Post by muscovyduckling on 10th April 2015, 10:35

Winners:

Munstead Wood (I'm sure you're all sick of me going on about it by now)
Anna Olivier
Sophie's Perpetual (surprisingly floriferous and well scented for a China)
Souv de la Malmaison (bush version)
Reve d'Or

Best fragrance was Pretty Jessica, although is was a tiny little thing and didn't bloom much this season.

Losers:

Abraham Darby (BS and not many flowers)
Aimee Vibert (no flowers this year but some monster canes)
William Shakespeare 2000 (wishes it was Munstead Wood but can't compete really)
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Post by silkyfizz on 10th April 2015, 14:04

John, yes I think rootstock might be a factor. I have several Just Joeys growing together and I have noticed their gradual decline over the last 2-3 years, not just in frequency and quality of flowers but general health. No new canes at all.
Julia's Rose has always been sickly and I'm lucky to get 3 blooms a year from her in a good season. I plan to dig her up and try her in a pot this winter as I do love her at her best. Subtle and sophisticated IMO so I'm a fan.
Graham Thomas is just a monster that gives me a few gorgeous blooms but what good is that if they are waving metres above my head. After the initial flush of blooms it seems to put all its energy into vigorous canes, not many flowers at all. It will be going this winter I'm afraid.

Zoe, maybe more time is needed for Abraham Darby. In its first year mine didn't do much, but this year (2nd or 3rd) it has been glorious. It's needing a more substantial tripod though. A touch of BS now but then again so are most of my roses. I refuse to spray and just try to remove affected leaves as I wander around.
I wish my Munstead is as productive as yours. Great last year, not so much this year.
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Post by muscovyduckling on 10th April 2015, 20:35

Ok Silky, well I guess there's hope for Abe Darby, but it's a worry that your Munstead wasn't so good this year. I won't go out and buy a whole hedge of them then, hahah.

I don't really care about BS either if it's just a bit, but poor old Abe just looks shocking. Luckily I don't look at him much coz he never has any flowers, ha.
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Post by betsyw on 10th April 2015, 22:35

Winners
Firefighter
Parole (the old ones)
Summer Memories, but who cares
Old Valencias ( aopprox 8 years old)

Losers
Sightsaver - healthy, but only four flowers all season
Newly acquired Valencias -  five flowers, now a one-cane wonder
Ebb Tide - great start, terrible leadfless and flowerless finish. I think I am to blame.

Others were indiffernt, and a mixed bag. In all, an uninspirimg year with too few bouquets to call more than nosegays. Got bored with the lot of 'em by January.

Just Joey: I think this darling is clapped out as a variety. No one I knwo who has purchased it in the last decade is happy for long. If I buy any again, I will consider them annuals,
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Post by AutumnDamask on 11th April 2015, 17:59

Zoe, you may find your Aimee Vibert will flower this coming spring. The once-only bloomers tend to be a bit different and they don't tend to flower in the first spring after you get them bare-rooted.

There's been a lot of neglect in my garden the last season or so but Ashram is blooming its head off (again) at present. French Lace was awesome in spring. Have Best Friend in a pot at present and it has done well (YUMMO).

Most of the losers are of my own making. (And GREATLY ASSISTED by the earwigs & rose weevils. Let's just say I've LEARNT NEW WORDS.)

Oh.... and my Julia's Rose has been good this year. Didn't even lose 100% of its leaves to BS like usual. Was only about 50%...! And she's TALL.
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Post by muscovyduckling on 11th April 2015, 20:51

I thought Aimee Vibert was supposed to repeat flower? Hmmm Sad
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Post by rosebud on 12th April 2015, 17:41

Fascinating reading the lists of standouts/disappointments. My biggest disappointment was of my own doing this year ; lost my treasured Mme Alfred Carriere - just starting to get up to a good height after a slow start but she couldn't cope with wet feet! And we didn't know HOW WET until we dug her out and discovered the pond she was standing in !! Poor thing!
Otherwise the Teas, Noisettes and Bourbons have responded well to the good rainfalls and are coming into their own this Autumn now that it's finally cooling down!
More Teas on order for this year!
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Post by Balinbear on 13th April 2015, 12:28

Rosebud

Unusual as our MACs are growing where it get quite wet though the soil is rather sandy (still holds the water though).

We lost lots of other plants in the wet but no roses.

Are you a member of HRIA and if so are you going to the Yandina garden on Saturday?
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Post by muscovyduckling on 13th April 2015, 16:55

I'm ordering more teas too rosebud. Trying to get hold of a Cl. Comtesse Labarthe/Duchesse de Brabant, and Lady Hillingdon (can get her from Reliable). And I have to choose a nice white bush tea that is fragrant.. Haven't decided which yet, but I'm thinking Snowflake/Marie Lambert.
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Post by Balinbear on 13th April 2015, 19:51

We have Snowflake and it is a good reliable rose. Not too sure on the fragrance though.
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Post by paulh on 13th April 2015, 23:28

Well my good performers are...
City of Adelaide
Perfect Moment
Holterman's Gold
Honey D'jon
Arianna
Reconciliation
Karen Blixen
Gift of Grace

My disappointments are...
Double Delight
Sceptre D'Isle
Blue Moon
Shocking Blue
Bridal Pink (standard & is always a disappointment)
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Post by muscovyduckling on 14th April 2015, 07:45

Thanks Gary.
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Post by rosebud on 14th April 2015, 07:52

Rosebud
Unusual as our MACs are growing where it get quite wet though the soil is rather sandy (still holds the water though).We lost lots of other plants in the wet but no roses.
Are you a member of HRIA and if so are you going to the Yandina garden on Saturday?


Hi Balinbear - We have grey cracking clay soil that would have retained the wet for longer after the rains we've had, so I think she just couldn't hold out any longer. I will replace her in another position.
And yes, I am a member and will be going to the Yandina garden - looking forward to it. I visited this garden a few years ago with a florist friend - very knowledgeable owner and well worth visiting. Will I see you there?
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Post by Balinbear on 14th April 2015, 08:15

Yeas at this stage Lee and I are going to be there.
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Post by rosebud on 14th April 2015, 13:45

Great, Lindsay and I may see you there!
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Post by Ausrose on 18th April 2015, 03:38

After reading this thread to date two roses that appear to be less than one expect are Julia's Rose and Ebb Tide. I am surprised at some of the evaluations of Just Joey as from my experience the general consensus is it is an outstanding rose. However like many of the older hybrids it is losing its vigour etc. over generations. Many of the older rosarians tell me Peace has degenerated and ones you buy today are nowhere near the Peace purchased back in the fifties and sixties. I would call it generational deterioration.

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Post by muscovyduckling on 18th April 2015, 07:55

Why does it only happen to some roses Doug, and not others? Is it because their genetics are more complicated or something?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 18th April 2015, 08:14

Zoe, over  time. it happens to most if not all plants, the further you get away from the original/mother plant the genes dissipate.
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Post by betsyw on 18th April 2015, 08:25

Generational deterioration is a great way to describe it, Doug.

 Zoe, I'm betting that teh roses most affected would be those whose very poularity were their undoing. Peace and Joey - Joey was once one of the most popular roses in teh world - have been in such demand for decades that they were cloned and cloned and cloned and cloned. The most inferior plants were/are used as bud stock, any twig at all woudl do.  This especially in decades where there weren't 3000 modern HT to choose from.

I am not sure why Fragrant Cloud hasn't suffered similarly. Maybe it has, and I just score the lucky few that were reasonably robust. I tell you, though, the newer Valencias I have received in the past few years aren't anywhere near as good as the ones I acquired 12 years ago.
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Post by muscovyduckling on 19th April 2015, 16:31

So if you budded your own 12yo Valencias, they should be better than the new ones you bought, yes?

I just wonder why roses like Lamarque and Reve d'Or and my old Teas are so vigorous, but so much older than JJ et al. It seems strange.
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Post by betsyw on 19th April 2015, 16:52

At a guess, I'd say that teh fact they aren't HTs has something to do with it, Zoe. Those noisettes, especially - tough as. Completely happy on their own rootsl, too, and just don't give a fig about bs. Can you imagine making worm casting tea or whatever for a Mme Al Carriere? Or watching endless pruning videos? Or angsting over Sudden Impact vs soemthing else? I gather a noisie recently drowned in someone's yard here, but that's just outright inadvertant roseslaughter ;-)))
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Post by muscovyduckling on 19th April 2015, 17:41

Ha, no. I can't imagine doing that for any roses. Which is why I don't have any HTs Smile

Although I have been temped by two - an Aussie bred one called Governor Macquarie, and one called Father's Love that I saw at Sue's place.

Saw it again today at the Tesselaar Garden Expo and was tempted again..
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Post by Balinbear on 19th April 2015, 19:31

Zoe!

Don't do it!!!!!!!
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