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Post by silkyfizz on 7th November 2014, 17:20

I'm very excited having found 2 little rose seedlings. They are only about 5cm high and seem to be growing well. Strangely they aren't close to any roses so I have no idea of parentage.
My question is - what do I do now? Do I let them grow a bit bigger, leave them alone or transplant now? Help!
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Post by Ausrose on 14th November 2014, 13:28

If they are getting adequate water where they are I would leave them and transplant them in the winter when they are semi dormant.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 14th November 2014, 14:09

Ausrose wrote:If they are getting adequate water where they are I would leave them and transplant them in the winter when they are semi dormant.

I agree with Doug, leave them in-situ till Winter if you can, then transplant, they might even flower for you this year if you are lucky, this will depend on the variety of rose Silky, any chance of a photo of the seedlings please
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Post by silkyfizz on 14th November 2014, 20:05

Thank you both for that advice. Waiting til winter and transplanting then is what I thought was best and you have put my mind at ease. They are in quite a dry area so I'm making sure there is enough water for them. Getting flowers this year would be wonderful but I know I have to be patient.
I'll try to get a photo tomorrow. they are only tiny so I'll have to lie down...hope I can get up again though! Lol
Oh, another question: Should I shake the soil off the roots and pop into potting mix or keep whatever rootball there is and put that into potting mix? I'm scared of damaging delicate little roots.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 14th November 2014, 20:19

I found one myself in a pot with a tree.... will leave until winter...!
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Post by silkyfizz on 14th November 2014, 20:38

Great Wendy. Is this your first foundling?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 14th November 2014, 23:16

Silky, leave them where they are till Winter, please, cuddle them till Winter.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 15th November 2014, 06:36

Silky, it isn't. Hopefully this one will do better than the last ones. This one is in the drop zone from a 'Lamarque' and a 'Pierre de Ronsard'.... hmmmmm
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 15th November 2014, 08:01

Wendy, if by chance this is an open pollinated rose by these two it should be amazing, lets hope it is., your not going to move it are you ?. I hope it will get special attention, especially from your wild vermon.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 15th November 2014, 19:21

This is right beside the house. And beside the tap. I may have to re-pot though as the tree should have been planted out in winter and is now in a pot that is a bit small. (Not helped by the self-sown borage that is also growing in it!!)
'Lamarque' sets more hips than Pierre so I guess odds are that the seed parent is Lamarque
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Post by silkyfizz on 22nd November 2014, 21:02

[quote="Silky, any chance of a photo of the seedlings please[/quote]

Here are my tiny seedlings, 2 of them. The closest rose is Graham Thomas.
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Is there any way of telling what it could be?
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Post by AutumnDamask on 22nd November 2014, 21:08

No, Betsy - it will be a new rose Smile Unless it's a sucker... >.<
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Post by silkyfizz on 22nd November 2014, 21:47

Well I'm sure it's not a sucker, nearest rose is several metres away.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 22nd November 2014, 21:57

cheers
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Post by Ausrose on 22nd November 2014, 23:10

The foliage  doesn't look like that of a rootstock sucker.

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Post by Balinbear on 23rd November 2014, 14:29

It is amazing where you find them. I found one in a garden ornament that was no where near a rose (a good 20 metres). It was under a tree so I suspect a bird picked up the hip and had it for dinner.
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Post by silkyfizz on 6th June 2015, 20:24

My 2 seedlings are now about 30cm high and it will be time to pot them up soon. So exciting! They look healthy and happy. Still in full foliage, no sign of winter dormancy yet.
I need some advice at this point:
Q1. Should I prune them at all or just leave them?
Q2. Should I keep the soil around the rootball when I dig them up and then plonk it into potting mix? Or shake off the soil before potting up?
Q3. Is there anything else I should be doing?

I have watched over them like a mother hen so I don't want to muck it up. Can you tell I'm excited? Lol
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 7th June 2015, 06:55

silkyfizz wrote:My 2 seedlings are now about 30cm high and it will be time to pot them up soon. So exciting! They look healthy and happy. Still in full foliage, no sign of winter dormancy yet.
I need some advice at this point:
Q1. Should I prune them at all or just leave them?
In my opinion I would leave them as they are, the only thing I would do is remove a small amount at the tips to promote growth, vegetative and root not flower
Q2. Should I keep the soil around the rootball when I dig them up and then plonk it into potting mix? Or shake off the soil before potting up?
I would take as big a ball from the ground soil that will fit in the pot your are using with a couple of inches either side of the ball and then back fill with good potting mix.
Q3. Is there anything else I should be doing?
If it was me I would soak the entire pot after this has been done in a liquid bath of fertilizer then stand it in the warmest part of your garden, what is the pot made of and colour.

I have watched over them like a mother hen so I don't want to muck it up. Can you tell I'm excited? Lol

Do they have to be moved ? Any idea of what the rose might be, as in what roses are "near" it. Has it got buds or flowers on it ?
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Post by silkyfizz on 7th June 2015, 15:33

Thanks David.
In answer to your question, no they don't really need to be moved at this stage but they are growing close to each other (10cm) so I'm thinking it might be easier to do it while they're still small. Pot probably will be basic black plastic.
Would it be better to wait til next winter do you think?

As to what the rose could be, anyone's guess. Nearest roses are a few metres away - Graham Thomas is closest, in same bed as Elina, Victoria Gold, Gold Bunny, Charles DeGaulle, Barbra Streisand. Also in there is Ebb Tide and Munstead Wood. So it's a bit of a mystery. No flowers or buds yet to give any clues.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th June 2015, 07:28

As they are that close, it might pay to move them, when is the dead/middle of your Winter, this is the time I would do it.
As for what it "might" be, is there any similarity in the leaf/leaves structure ?
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Post by muscovyduckling on 8th June 2015, 09:14

Have they flowered yet Silky?
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Post by silkyfizz on 8th June 2015, 21:17

Oh, looking at the leaves, so logical. Never even occurred to me. Their leaves are very small but I'll have a look.

Zoe, no sign of flowers. The stems are thin and spindly, healthy but not close to bud formation at this stage.
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Post by silkyfizz on 12th June 2015, 13:51

Have looked at the leaves of my 2 little seedlings as suggested by David. As far as I can tell, Graham Thomas may be a likely parent as far as colour of leaves go. Frances Dubreuil foliage is a good match as far as leaf shape and size goes, twigginess and thorns.
I supposed I'll just have to wait and see and hope I don't kill them when I pot them up next month.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 12th June 2015, 15:04

As you are looking seedlings you will have to look at the appropriate leaf stages, juvenile, everything will have to be looked at relative.
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Post by muscovyduckling on 12th June 2015, 23:21

Ooh a cross between GT and Francis Dubrieul would be something to see, if it happens to be something like that! Imagine if it was a full yellow bloom with the scent of Francis! Now that would be something Smile
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