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Post by Bemo on 11th March 2009, 04:57

Paris Quadrifolia ???

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total wrong, it's only a seedling with four cotyledons. That seems sometimes to happen. Last year I noticed also one, which I have discarded later.

Will keep an eye on cyclops

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Post by Admin on 11th March 2009, 16:29

Hey Bemo... I have had them with three cotyledons and they developed normally but also had reduced vigour and so were also discarded later. Do you also visit RHA? All kinds of things show up there... there is a thread about rose twins atm.

This is one I had back in 2007:

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It developed normally but wasn't very thrifty and so got binned.

Maybe your 4-leaf one will be lucky Wink


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Post by Bemo on 15th March 2009, 23:44

Bemo wrote:Will keep an eye on cyclops

it's not necessary anymore, RIP affraid . It was not able to survive.

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Post by Admin on 15th March 2009, 23:50

How are your others looking so far this season? Anything stand out yet?

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Post by Bemo on 16th March 2009, 04:37

Hi Breeders (and future ones),
until today about 70 seedlings have germinated and has been pricked on schedule, so far necessary, because some are growing in a peat plug. Less of them failed until now, although the light conditions are insufficient this year due to the '*censored* weather'. Most of the sedlings are stored in small 'mini green house boxes' on the windows in the upper area of our home, potted in small drink cups to save space

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some others are in the greenhouse outside. But I must take care, it still can go down under the freezing point Rolling Eyes

the best germination rate I got from an open pollination from NDR1 (Centenary,heartache):

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the only crossing I did last year ( Sympathy x Jacobs Krönung) yielded in 5 seedlings (so far). I wonder whether they will look and smell Cool

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Post by Bemo on 10th April 2009, 02:20

Last roses have germinated end of March. Now they moved all outside in the greenhouse:

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first will flower soon, the last ones will need longer:

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next time I will show the best blooms of it tongue

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Post by Alee on 10th April 2009, 02:45

Bemo, I am very happy for you. Waiting anxiously to see its blooms.

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Post by Admin on 10th April 2009, 15:10

Hi Bemo, I like the look of the leaves on the tallish seedling in the lower left corner of the first image (right hand side of the 2nd image I think too). It's got lovely serrations.

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Post by Bemo on 10th April 2009, 19:47

good choice Simon, the left one is a seedling of 'Westerland', the other one a cross of 'Sympathy' x 'Jacobs Krönung' Thumbsup

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Post by Admin on 10th April 2009, 20:10

Did you sow many 'Westerland' seeds Bemo and have they proven difficult to germinate? I sowed a batch of OP westerland seeds last year (about 30-40 seeds) and failed to get a single germination.

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Post by Bemo on 11th April 2009, 02:01

Simon wrote:Did you sow many 'Westerland' seeds ......
it's a 50% germination rate. I got only 1 hip from friends . Of the 2 nuts inside rised this seedling Thumbsup Very Happy

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Post by Bemo on 23rd April 2009, 02:34

ladies in red.......

the first come into flower:

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the first two are from 'NDR1', the third and fourth from 'Rosenprofessor Sieber' . The strongest of all seedlings want not yet bloom. But it's my experience from 2007 and 2008 that they later flower all the better Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by Bemo on 24th April 2009, 02:49

and the first open flower:
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Post by Admin on 24th April 2009, 15:49

I like the nice leafy sepals. I don't seem to have a lot of roses that will do that here. It's a nice touch I think. Lovely strong colours too.

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Post by Bemo on 26th April 2009, 18:57

the red one from above a liitle more opened:

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and onother one which came up yesterday. It's a little Rosenprofessor:

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have a nice Sunday ( what remains)

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Post by Admin on 26th April 2009, 19:22

I'm liking the look of 'Rose Professor Siber' Bernhard. Treloars stock it if anyone is interested ( click here . There's a lot of petals in this for a first flower too. It would be good to follow the progress of this lovely rose.

Looking at its descendants on HMF it looks like it can breed some strong colours too. I love the look of your 'Mademoiselle Rabea' too. I really want to use Bonica in some crosses next season too but I can't get past how badly it spots here.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 26th April 2009, 19:35

Bemo, if it was my choice so far I like the bottom one, I think it is out of one of your Bonica crosses.
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Post by Bemo on 27th April 2009, 03:09

Simon wrote:.....I really want to use Bonica in some crosses next season too but I can't get past how badly it spots here.

confused normallly 'Bonica' is absolutely essential for breeding purposes. Did you test to culitvate this rose in a big pod ? I live in the heather and the soil is very poor here. I found that the roses go better, if I grow them 2 to 3 years in pods before they are planted out.
My Bonica ist still in a pod. The seedling of it, 'Allerhop' ,was planted out last year and had survived the strong winter in very good condition. Both are the healthiest plants in the garden (either mildew nor blackspot, only a little bit rost)
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in your stead, I would try the rose again.

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Post by Bemo on 27th April 2009, 03:17

roseman wrote:Bemo, if it was my choice so far I like the bottom one, I think it is out of one of your Bonica crosses.
nope, It's open pollination of the 'Rosenprofessor Sieber', but it's great that you like it Thumbsup

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Post by Admin on 27th April 2009, 20:26

Hi Bemo,

Bonica is a blackspot magnet here. It grows strongly despite being covered in blackspot and has beautiful flowers (see my photos on HMF of Bonica). I think it is important to note that selecting roses is largely about 'horses for courses'. A rose that does well in your area may do very poorly here and what does very poorly here may well do very well in another area even in the same country or even same state or town. I have noted that even planted in different parts of my own property some roses will perform differently. 'Altissimo' is a good example. It is renowned for developing blackspot in some locations. Where it was when I first bought this place it also developed a lot of blackspot. I dug it up and placed it against a wall and it has been growing there for the past few years without chemical intervention and is quite clean. I don't believe there is any such thing as a universally healthy rose.

I have grown two lots of Bonica here. Both of them have spotted badly. They are in the ground and have been for a few years now. One was worse than the other and was actually so bad it got shovel pruned recently. The other is performing better (it's on a different rootstock too) and is growing in the ground in a different location. I find the roses here do better if they are planted in the ground as quickly as possible. They don't dry out as much, are less affected by the summer heat and are able to put out deep strong roots quickly. In the first year they don't do much. In the second year they begin to stir and then after that they are more established and perform much better in all regards.

The other thing to note is that there are different 'strains' of black spot fungi and you might find that when your roses are exposed to a greater number of different 'strains' of black spot they may be less resistant. I shy away from statements saying that any rose is completely resistant to black spot, or anything for that matter, because unless they are trialled in lots of different areas and exposed to many different 'strains' of pathogens we can never be sure. I heard of one breeder in the U.S. (Ping) who would collect blackspot from all over the place to deliberatley innoculate new rose varieties in greenhouses to assess how broad their resistance really was.

So, I am still hesitant to use 'Bonica', but also know that if paired with something particularly healthy it may still produce worth offpsring. I think there are many more appropriate roses to choose from for Australian conditions, however, and will resist the urge to use Bonica just yet.

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Post by Bemo on 28th April 2009, 02:04

and onother one from NDR1:

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has potential, I believe Rolling Eyes

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Post by Bemo on 9th May 2009, 05:47

Hello together,
I'm short in time this week, but must keep you informed a liitle bit about the breeding process.
In term of greenhouse breeding I've something to learn. After the first PM cases of the 'Sorbet' seedlings other plant have been also infected affraid . I keep the grenhouse now open night and day and have also reduced the count of plants in the gh.

some seedlings started to bloom:

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full opened:
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coming soon a child of 'Sorbet' (seems 'Peace' blood in it)
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tomorrow I will stay at the 'Hannover planting days', it's a great market for all garden related, spec. plants, will see what's interesting is.

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Post by Admin on 10th May 2009, 23:34

Hi Bemo,

What makes you say your 'Sorbet' seedling has 'Peace' blood in it? I can't see any trace of 'Peace' anywhere in it's lineage (unless you suspect the pollen parent might be 'Peace').

I'm really liking that fringed sepal in the one you called 'Fellow Student'... it's a real nice touch. Would love to see more of its progress.

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Post by rosemeadow on 11th May 2009, 00:44

Bemo, they are lovely babies, so beautiful.

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Post by Bemo on 11th May 2009, 03:52

Simon wrote:..What makes you say your 'Sorbet' seedling has 'Peace' blood in it? I can't see any trace of 'Peace' anywhere in it's lineage (unless you suspect the pollen parent might be 'Peace')..
Hi Simon,
it was only the first impression, yellow cobined with red areas, did not yet look at the parentage.

Simon wrote:..I'm really liking that fringed sepal in the one you called 'Fellow Student'... it's a real nice touch. Would love to see more of its progress.
do you can read my minds ? I believe it's a rose with potential, this one will not been thrown to the compost, will keep an eye on it cyclops

rosemeadow wrote:Bemo, they are lovely babies, so beautiful...

I hope there will arise more of the beautiful Very Happy

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