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'Maréchal Niel'

Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 25th April 2014, 06:55

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I have become interested in this rose, how many of you grow it and can you tell me your opinion of it please.

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Post by Balinbear on 25th April 2014, 16:48

David

We grow it here and it does quite well. It has quite a few buds on it at present. It grows on a 1.8m (its above that) high trellis here and has spread at least that though it is mixed up with an Albertine and an E. Veyrath Hermanos. So the growth sizes mentioned on HMF sound about right.

We don't appear have any disease problems with it. We clean it up every year to get rid of any dead wood. We do this while we are cutting back the Albertine that tends to wan to take over completely.

There is some discussion that 'Maréchal Niel' sold in Oz is actually Duchesse d'Auerstaëdt. We actually have both (supposedly) but unfortunately they are about 80metres apart and grown in completely different situations. The flowers do not really look the same and they both fit the photos on HMF.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 25th April 2014, 19:41

Gary, is it possible that they are two different plants ? One being the 'original' and the other being a "ROR".
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Post by Balinbear on 25th April 2014, 20:14

David
Anything is possible with old roses as a lot have been "assumed" to be a certain rose even though they do not fit the description in early catalogues or the named roses overseas.

Different nurseries over they years have given the same rose different names or different roses the same name. I guess until DNA testing becomes feasible (will it ever?) we will never know.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 26th April 2014, 08:13

Duchesse d'Auerstaëdt also looks interesting Gary.
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Post by Balinbear on 26th April 2014, 13:42

Yeah it's not a bad rose. Ours is planted where it gets little sun and about 3 metres from a 1.5m diameter tallowwood so it is not in a prime location.

It has still climbed over the trellis that it is on (1.8 high) and it has spread out about 1.8 metres. It does not flower as well as the Rev d'Or planted next to it but it still flowers.

The flowers are a nice yellow (surprise surprise that you are interested).
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]..It grows similar to Duchesse d'Auerstaëdt though ours is  bit sick (its in a worse location than the Duchess) so it may be moved soon.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 26th April 2014, 14:28

Thanks again Gary, I think you have sussed out my reasoning in asking about these couple of roses. When do you prune ?
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Post by Balinbear on 27th April 2014, 08:10

"When do you prune ?"

What day is today?

The weather up here more or less lets us prune anytime of the year. I hard (really hard) pruned the Comm de Labarthe's at the top of the driveway about 6 weeks ago and already they are half a metre high and covered in flowers.

Do you want some bits?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 27th April 2014, 10:32

I always knew that you could read minds Gary. I will contact you via email. Thanks David.
P.S. Have you tried it from cuttings ?
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