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Post by martino on 27th November 2013, 01:20

Hi all just wondering if anyone grows these few roses...... ian thorpe, new kleopatra, jardin de bagatelle, all hybrid teas and thoughts on them thanks.

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Post by neptune on 27th November 2013, 01:43

The Jardin is one of our best performers. Log stem/ long lasting rose/ nice scent and good for the bench...
 
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Post by dannyboy on 27th November 2013, 03:55

Lovely Neptune very classy rose.What's that rose in the the background the red and white one.

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Post by Ausrose on 27th November 2013, 06:01

I grew New Kleopatra awhile back and I found it to be a vigorous grower and as healthy as a rose can be in the Sydney Basin. From an exhibiters' point of view although it has a high centre it is loose thus putting it behind the eight-ball as an exhibition class bloom. I would recommend this showy rose as a garden rose.

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Post by jordan71 on 27th November 2013, 07:20

I like new kleopatra , healthy rose , not much scent but nice to look at
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Post by neptune on 27th November 2013, 09:19

dannyboy wrote:Lovely Neptune very classy rose.What's that rose in the the background the red and white one.
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Post by Ausrose on 27th November 2013, 11:24

A rose that is of a similar colour and structure of New Kleopatra is New Era. New Era however develops a well formed centre thus better for exhibiting.

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Post by betsyw on 27th November 2013, 20:42

Jardins de Bagatelle is one of a handful of roses that I truly, madly, deeply love. A beautiful, wonderfully perfumed, altogether captivating creature that looks as delicate as porcelain, but is as tough and resiliant as they come. Worthy of its great namesake


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Post by rosebud on 29th November 2013, 09:27

Love the sound of Jardins de Bagatelle, betswy.  Must look out for it and see if it copes with SE Qld climate.  Love to know more of it's history...were you referring to the perfume Jardins de Bagarelle by Guerlain, or the Parc de Bagatelle?  The spelling for this rose is slightly different in MistyD (noticed other typos in some rose names in their catalogue - understandable given the number of roses listed!). Do you have photos of it growing in your garden?
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Post by curdle1 on 29th November 2013, 20:28

I've been curious about Jardins de Bagatelle too. The pictures of it all look so gorgeous (esp. yours, Neptune), and healthy, but I have also heard reports that it can ball in rainy weather. Has anyone else here had that problem?

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Post by maree on 29th November 2013, 23:30

I have just planted one and already the perfume is just lovely , don't know about balling in wet weather , but i reckon for me its perfumed so its a keeper ....
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Post by martino on 30th November 2013, 01:48

thanks for all the info guys.

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Post by Ausrose on 30th November 2013, 02:54

As an exhibitor Jardins de Bagatelle would have to go if it balls as form is so important. On saying that John gives it the heads up as an exhibition rose under his conditions in WA and because of my respect for him as an exhibitor I wouldn't discard the rose until I trialled it under my conditions. I have learnt through the years different environment can produce a different rose.

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Post by betsyw on 1st December 2013, 07:40

Rosebud, I'm absolutely sure that both the Meilland rose and the Guerlain perfume were named for the glorious Parc ;-)))

I don't have a current pic of JdB because I'm slack, but you can see a bloom peeping out of the top of my avatar, scrunched in with Valencias (scent hounds, lemme tell ya what a combination THAT is).
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Post by rosebud on 1st December 2013, 09:16

Thanks, betsyw, should have realised the rose and perfume shared the same namesake Embarassed 

The perfume combination sounds as gorgeous as the visual!
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