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Post by paulh on 4th September 2013, 22:55

I was down at a local garden supply shop, while I was standing there looking at A Manutec product called Trace Elements, the attendant informed me that this would be good for roses. She mentioned that the plants would only take up the elements that they needed and was lacking in my soil, I asked if this was a bit of an overkill, she recons it would be a good product to use.

So, since I've never used this product I would love some feedback  
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Post by neptune on 4th September 2013, 23:35

Paul, you need to take samples of your soil to a lab and get them analyse...this will cost you......they will tell you if you lack trace elements.......the secret to good growing is to look after the soil and that is not with chemical fertilizers as they are short lived....
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Post by paulh on 4th September 2013, 23:40

neptune wrote:Paul, you need to take samples of your soil to a lab and get them analyse...this will cost you......they will tell you if you lack trace elements.......the secret to good growing is to look after the soil and that is not with chemical fertilizers as they are short lived....
Thanks Neptune, well I wont be getting my soil tested, not in this lifetime lol $$$$$

So I guess what you are saying is don't use it??
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Post by neptune on 4th September 2013, 23:56

you have just replaced your soil and if you keep up the organics you should be right for a while......at the moment I am trailing a product for roses that is organic but also has the trace elements......it is similar to sudden impact for roses, but taken to the next level...
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Post by paulh on 5th September 2013, 00:09

neptune wrote:you have just replaced your soil and if you keep up the organics you should be right for a while......at the moment I am trailing a product for roses that is organic but also has the trace elements......it is similar to sudden impact for roses, but taken to the next level...
Oh ok, the reason I was looking at trace elements was for this reason: my rose bed is booming, however a few HT's leaf up nicely but are quite a light green, I know from research that they have a deep green foliage. You look down at my rose bed and you can pick them straight away.   are you able to disclose what you are trialing?  
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Post by paulh on 5th September 2013, 00:29

paulh wrote:
neptune wrote:you have just replaced your soil and if you keep up the organics you should be right for a while......at the moment I am trailing a product for roses that is organic but also has the trace elements......it is similar to sudden impact for roses, but taken to the next level...
Oh ok, the reason I was looking at trace elements was for this reason: my rose bed is booming, however a few HT's leaf up nicely but are quite a light green, I know from research that they have a deep green foliage. You look down at my rose bed and you can pick them straight away.   are  you able to disclose what you are trialing?  
What about potted roses neptune would they benefit from this stuff?
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Post by neptune on 5th September 2013, 00:32

yep!...... 
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 5th September 2013, 06:07

Paul could you post a photo of the leaves you are referring to, there are a couple of possibilities for it, one is Iron. You could use "Mr Google"images for leaf deficiencies in roses. I would try this first.
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Post by finbarr on 5th September 2013, 17:47

go organics, check pH before you do any major additions of fertiliser as pH affects the take up of many trace elements. this is especially so for any imported soils

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Post by paulh on 5th September 2013, 21:29

roseman wrote:Paul could you post a photo of the leaves you are referring to, there are a couple of possibilities for it, one is Iron. You could use "Mr Google"images for leaf deficiencies in roses. I would try this first.
thanks roseman, will post some photos Friday night...cheers
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Post by maree on 5th September 2013, 23:05

I'll wade into this conversion and agree with Finbaar on imported soils , i redid some rose beds and brought in bags of imported soil , manure and compost , i ph tested it before planting the roses and the ph was through the roof , have done all sorts of things to get the ph down , so be carefull with the brands you buy , there is one brand of bagged soil , i would never buy again , i soil tested the bag and it was highly alkaline .... can't understand the manufacturer for doing this ...
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Post by paulh on 5th September 2013, 23:35

maree wrote:I'll wade into this conversion and agree with Finbaar on imported soils , i redid some rose beds and brought in bags of imported soil , manure and compost , i ph tested it before planting the roses and the ph was through the roof , have done all sorts of things to get the ph down , so be carefull with the brands you buy , there is one brand of bagged soil , i would never buy again , i soil tested the bag and it was highly alkaline .... can't understand the manufacturer for doing this ...
Thanks maree, my rose bed has a ph average of 6.5
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Post by maree on 5th September 2013, 23:38

That sounds just perfect Paul !!
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 6th September 2013, 06:20

Maree, did you contact the provider of the bag, not the store that you purchased from. If you have the bag still there isa standard to which it should meet or exceed. When I was at Hawkesbury AG Col, we did a trial on this sort of thing and returned or survey to the relevant companies and the Standards Authority which in turn changed some things on the way they were to be tested and made.
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Post by Ozeboy on 6th September 2013, 16:34

Good advice there from Finbarr, look at his post again.

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Post by SueH on 6th September 2013, 18:25

Maree, are you allowed to tell us the provider or is this a "no no"?

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Post by paulh on 6th September 2013, 23:20

There you go roseman, here are the offending roses
1st two image2 is my Black Beautyand a close up, the next 2 images are the plants next to it.

Then there is my Blue Moon, showing the same sign but not as bad, it is about 5 roses away from the b/beauty, the next image is the rose next to it.

The final images show the overall health of my rose bed, which in all is going good and images of some of my pots which are doing well.

All advice is greatly appreciated..... 

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Post by neptune on 7th September 2013, 00:44

looks like lack of iron....

might give you some idea.....

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Post by paulh on 7th September 2013, 01:17

neptune wrote:looks like lack of iron....

might give you some idea.....

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Thanks neptune, looks like the problem, is it unusual that the deficiency is restricted to just that small area, the other rose are only 80-90cm away and are not effected.
 
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Post by neptune on 7th September 2013, 01:54

there is no way that soil can distribute trace elements equally thru its medium...only takes one pocket that is not fully up and a feeder root can't take it up.....
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 7th September 2013, 06:17

John has answered it with a brilliant photo, Iron deficiency Paul. To correct it I would foliar spray first and also some Iron Chelate's (Manutec) it is easy to find in the B shop and other stores
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Post by paulh on 7th September 2013, 21:36

roseman wrote:John has answered it with a brilliant photo, Iron deficiency Paul. To correct it I would foliar spray first and also some Iron Chelate's (Manutec) it is easy to find in the B shop and other stores
Thanks roseman and neptune, now in regards to iron chelate, bought some today on the label it says to use 48g per 10 litres of water, can I use it at the same rate for a foliage spray?  
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Post by neptune on 7th September 2013, 22:56

yep.......proportion it to the size of you spray bottle
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Post by paulh on 7th September 2013, 23:30

neptune wrote:yep.......proportion it to the size of you spray bottle
Cool bananas, thanks neptune, a good job for tomorrow... also neptune are you still chasing some Spredmax?
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