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Post by Jac2 on 6th October 2012, 10:41

Here is a rose I bought from BigW with a Graham Thomas label. I was extremely cheesed off when the round orange buds first appeared, but not for long, because this magnificent thing turned up:
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It smells like Turkish delight and will not let you go, once you stick your nose into it.
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I donít think I could have been any happier with GT, but will still definitely get one.
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Iím thinking, maybe itís Charles Darwin; can anybody confirm this or suggest what it might be?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 6th October 2012, 10:50

Jac, on first look I thought 'Heritage' then maybe to much yellow of a centre.
The best bet is contact David Austin England, they will ID it. From memory it will go to Micheal Marriott for ID.
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Post by Jac2 on 6th October 2012, 10:58

Thanks, David, I might do that and ask about my ďRebeccaĒ at the same time.
Heritage has smaller blooms and a lovely fresh pink. This one is fuller and more globular, and in the Juliaís Rose colour range, turning beige in old age.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 6th October 2012, 11:13

Jac, the name 'Rebecca" doesn't come up as a DA from his site.
As always they will want shots of all parts of the rose, including from bud to blown flower.
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Post by neptune on 6th October 2012, 11:42

Charles Darwin looks good..
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Post by Poesie on 6th October 2012, 23:35

It is similar to The Generous Gardener (but buds?)...

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 7th October 2012, 05:46

It is very close to it Poesie, but to the best of my knowledge it available yet in Australia.
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Post by Guest on 7th October 2012, 09:48

Jac your unknown Austin, I would say it could be A Shropshire Lad

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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 17:50

i have lots of austins and i dont think its charles darwin , could be shropshire lad like ozroz said
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Post by AutumnDamask on 7th October 2012, 21:07

Ozroz wrote:Jac your unknown Austin, I would say it could be A Shropshire Lad


I flicked through a DA catalogue yesterday (specifically for this post) and A Shropshire Lad was the one that made me wonder... Smile (And it is easily available here)
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Post by Jac2 on 7th October 2012, 21:26

Thank you all so much for flicking through catalogues and googling.

I took David's advice and wrote to DA, packing the e-mail with photos of all relevant parts of both roses, but havenít heard back yet. There would be a time delay.

ďRebeccaĒ was the name I temporarily gave to the blooms that sported off my Jude bush, remember, David, I spotted a rose by that name in one of your photos taken at the DA nursery. You said it was part of their cut flower range and not available here.

I thought maybe someone here would have this rose and recognize it. Charles Darwin is the closest match in description I could find, and the colour is a reasonable match (the blooms of my rose resemble Jude the Obscureís in size and form).

Thanksí for that link, Poesie, The Generous Gardener looks beautify and very similar to mine; it was actually on my list and I found it wasnít available here when I tried to order it. That was easy to eliminate from all possibilities Ö for a very unfortunate reason.

The buds and young flowers are a very close match to A Shropshire Lad, Warren and AutumnDamask, thatís one I hadnít considered at all; yes it could be it.
The way the petals unfold over time and later blooms donít really match that well, but my photos show the first flush, which always produces slightly larger blooms, and that might be the reason. Colour? HmmmmÖ. more of a maybe, but very dependent on climate; yes it could be it.

I got a photo of the second flush today, and was very surprised to see how different it is to the first Ö
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Granny blooms turn beige on my bush, and the only time I ever saw ďbeigeĒ mentioned is among Charles Darwin comments. I had decided to call its colour beige independently, before looking at any comments.
Do you have a CD, Jordan?

I will let you all know what the DA team thinks it is when they reply
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 21:29

CD, Jordan ??

what jac ?
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 21:32

oh sorry u mean charles darwin ?

no i dont have it

there is few austins that i really like . that i havent been able to get . .but i'm sure i will come across some in the future LOL
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Post by Jac2 on 7th October 2012, 21:33

Which once?
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 21:41

shropshire lad , charles darwin .. and few of his really old releases .. but i have do have lots of austins so at this stage not rushing to get more LOL
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Post by Jac2 on 7th October 2012, 21:45

I hear you.
Iíve looked at Shropshire Lad, too, but donít have one yet Ö
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 21:48

it seems that lot of nurseries dont keep the old david austin rose jac,

guess they are not as hardy as we would wanna believe.. some of the ones that i really love . even mr austin himself took out of his catalogue

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Post by AutumnDamask on 7th October 2012, 21:54

jordan71 wrote:it seems that lot of nurseries dont keep the old david austin rose jac,

guess they are not as hardy as we would wanna believe.. some of the ones that i really love . even mr austin himself took out of his catalogue

It was in DA's 2010/11 catalogue ....

Hedgerow Nursery have it, as well as a *lot* of earlier Austins.
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 21:56

AutumnDamask wrote:
jordan71 wrote:it seems that lot of nurseries dont keep the old david austin rose jac,

guess they are not as hardy as we would wanna believe.. some of the ones that i really love . even mr austin himself took out of his catalogue

It was in DA's 2010/11 catalogue ....

Hedgerow Nursery have it, as well as a *lot* of earlier Austins.
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thanks wendy,

i did contact them .. when i wanted to get few .. at that time i was told not available

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Post by Jac2 on 7th October 2012, 22:03

jordan71 wrote:it seems that lot of nurseries dont keep the old david austin rose jac,

even mr austin himself took out of his catalogue


I wonder, if thatís because he thinks theyíre no good or if it has to do with expenses of keeping them under patent. Might be better to restrict that expense to all the new releases, as the public seems to jump to them.
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 22:06

i think in minor cases jac , they dont perform as well as he intended when he bred them, and in some cases they do better in warmer climates then england.. and in some cases he kept some of the old ones stricly for collectors
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Post by Jac2 on 7th October 2012, 22:16

Iíve got one of those: The Knight
I bought it locally on short notice, thinking it was The Prince, a real beauty; got them mixed up. Comments on HMF suggest DA discontinued it, because he thought it was inferior and not worth continuing, recommending it only for collectors.
I canít see a thing wrong with TK; itís very healthy and the blooms are pretty. They just donít follow the typical DA trend.
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Post by jordan71 on 7th October 2012, 22:19

Jac2 wrote:Iíve got one of those: The Knight
I bought it locally on short notice, thinking it was The Prince, a real beauty; got them mixed up. Comments on HMF suggest DA discontinued it, because he thought it was inferior and not worth continuing, recommending it only for collectors.
I canít see a thing wrong with TK; itís very healthy and the blooms are pretty. They just donít follow the typical DA trend.

thats another great rose jac , i have it and i love it ,, really good rose .. like i said he seems to think most of the new one he breeds will perform better in his climate .. i blelieve the knight wasnt the best performer for him from few articles that i came across, as far as i know its a great rose for the australian climate
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Post by Jac2 on 8th October 2012, 01:07

You know more than I, Jordan. I made a good effort to find everything I could on TK, but never saw these articles. I got this info from HMF. Yes, thereís nothing wrong with TK here in Brisbane either; it just doesnít look like a typical DA. The blooms remind me a bit of Monsieur Tillerís in shape and colour, but the growth is quite different.
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Post by jordan71 on 8th October 2012, 08:16

was trying to find the articles that i saw online , it was a long time ago .. even so he mentions that in his book . just gotta remember which book grrrrrr
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