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Post by Jac2 on 29th August 2012, 20:23

Sure, curved or upright stems are a trait and that will not change in different environments, but skinny versus strong canes would be influenced by it.
Jude the Obscure has curved stems and large bloom; in the ground she held her blooms well, but in the pot they hang upside down.
If a plant keeps producing abundant roots in pots, it must want something its not getting Ė thatís not part of normal growth. Maybe all the energy is going into producing all these abundant roots instead of building strong stems?
Do standards grow? I never had one and thought they stayed the same height.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 30th August 2012, 05:48

Jackie the stem part stays 900mm in lenght, the roots and the budded crown grow.
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Post by Jac2 on 31st August 2012, 06:35

I meant to say canes, not stems Ė the canes will be either strong or spindly.
Iíve been shifting a couple of roses around yesterday, and JtO is going into the ground today. Weíll soon see if that made a difference. No long deep center roots had developed on the two HTs I moved yet, and Iím glad I did this early rather than later.

If JtO doesnít grow stronger canes that hold her flowers upright in the ground, I donít know what accounts for the difference in my two Judes. Would you think the root-stock could influence something like this, David?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 31st August 2012, 06:52

Yes on one hand. The other concideration might be and I say might be if the two plants were budded from different plants, thinking oin the run as I am off to work, thinking at work, will add more tonight.
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Post by Jac2 on 31st August 2012, 08:22

Thanks David, and the budding Q has just put a very different light on the whole situation:

LOOK AT THAT

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This is what I found on the other side when turning the pot around today to move JtO into the ground.

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WHAT THE Ö !?!?

There are two different grafts on that plant; one is JtO and the other a complete mystery. Pretty, with a very strong Jasmin fragrance, but certainly not JtO.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 31st August 2012, 12:43

Jackie correct me if I am wrong, the photos you are showing are they on bush rose or a "standard"
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Post by Jac2 on 31st August 2012, 19:40

It's a bush with two different grafts
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 31st August 2012, 21:25

Normally a bush plant has only one bud placed on it
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Post by Jac2 on 31st August 2012, 21:37

I shall take a photo when the sun comes up.
I had noticed some of the leaves were a lot darker early on, and though it was sunburn already, but then the leaves stayed healthy and I though nothing further of it. When the different flower opened today, it suddenly made sense and I traced it back to the union. There is a whole cane with different leaves and flower buds and another with Judeís leaves and flowers.
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 10:39

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Proper (skinny) Jude cane on R
Mystery (fat) cane on L


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Skinny Jude cane in front
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Jude (no longer sulking) with lighter rounder leaves on L, cluster of mystery buds with darker, narrower leaves on R.

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Theyíll stay in the pot for now, until I sort out what to do; may have to get another Jude.

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Iím sure Iíve seen this yellow rose somewhere before; it smells very much like Pat Austin and Iím thinking it might be one. Comtes de Champagne?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st September 2012, 10:47

Jackie looking at the second shot, by my eyes I think it is all out of the one bud union, looking on HMF quickly they have a relationship with Abraham Derby, that is JtO and Pat A
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 11:02

Thanks for checking, David; this is my PA:

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To me, it only smells like PA.
The mystery-rose starts of a little orange, but is definitely yellow.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st September 2012, 11:13

Jackie, the union is where we have to start, I think it is one, not 2 as previously thought. We need it to shoot a basal from the union. I notice there is one that has been cut off, hopefully it will another.
If it is one union it "might", just "might" be "sporting" from the bud union, I have never seen it before, but it could happen I guess. When Warren comes back on lets eee what he thinks.
If it is all from the one bud union, we could send the photo over to David Austin and ask for help with it, they have done in the past.
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 11:16

Oh, that sounds great, thank you so much! In the meantime, Iíll try to get a better photo of the bud union, seeing there is still some uncertainty surrounding it.
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 11:20

I was just thinking, maybe one rose was an earlier graft that looked like it hadnít taken and the root stock was recycled?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st September 2012, 11:51

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Jackie this is the place to get your answers from
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 12:27

What an incredible place; is it yours?

There is a little yellow rose, which bears a striking similarity to my mystery rose.
I just rushed out to have another look and mine is very pale yellow today in the midday sun. I could take a couple more photos to show you, but they wouldnít be any good until the sun sets a bit.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st September 2012, 12:53

No sorry Jackie, that is David Austin's nursery, which we were lucky enough to visit whilst over there for a family wedding 5 years ago. Mr Austin is a fantastic man to speak with and it was he that let us into all the glasshouses.
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 12:59

Wow David, that would have been a real treat!

Can you see how that little yellow right on the first page looks very similar?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 1st September 2012, 13:10

Jackie the one you are reffering to from memory had name on it which was "Rebecka". Again from memory it is/was going to be one of his cut flower range. I am not sure but I think we will never see them out here, wish we could as the one's saw all had fragrance
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Post by Jac2 on 1st September 2012, 13:27

Looks like we just saw one here; whatever it is, itís very pretty and fragrant.
I shall call her Rebecca, my best friendís name, until I find a better match.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 14th September 2012, 20:43

I may have mentioned this in another thread but my two best performing DA's are 'Pegasus' and 'Tess of the d'Ubervilles'.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 14th September 2012, 22:06

When we go over next year did you want me to ask him any questions
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th September 2013, 05:18

Your a legend John, thank you. The post to which John(Neptune) has kindly placed on here for me is the currant beds at David Austin Roses.
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