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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 10th August 2012, 15:52

Hi Bruce, you want to share who this guy is down Melbourne Hmmmm
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Post by maree on 10th August 2012, 16:15

Ozeboy , you definately do get to that stage , no more spraying for me , takes all the enjoyment out of gardening , i have thought about your type of roses and the time will come when i will put them in , at the moment still looking for healthy hybrid teas that i can put in a vase , but i definately agree with you and it makes so much sense ....
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Post by betsyw on 10th August 2012, 18:01

I'm with you, maree. When I think 'spray', I think Chanel No. 5. What a Face

No question in my mind that being discriminating and enquiring in HT selection, plus brutal in shovel pruning, is a sensible route to travel.

Hats off, though, (and gas masks on) to all the serious rosarians prepared to cook up reeking vats of poop and kelp and molasses to make their roses swoon and grow gorgeous-er. I'm more of the Let's-Try-Sudden-Impact-this year sort of timid soul.
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Post by neptune on 10th August 2012, 18:07

thanks for the hats of betty, but I have never had a smelly brew, because I keep it areobic and I turn brews over within four days
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Post by Ozeboy on 10th August 2012, 21:10

David, he is not a well known rose grower. We worked together in Newcastle for a few years around 1954 /1955. Then we bumped into one and other in George Street in 1973 just prior to him going to take up a position in Perth. He phoned me about 5 years ago and told me about all his rose problems which I have now solved.

Since the girls have been looking for a rose with everything 'Don Juan' keeps flashing through my mind. It's a timid growing climber which suits smaller gardens, the blooms and fragrance are fantastic. It can get some Blackspot but everything else fits into the girls description.
'Roundelay' is a very healthy HT but does not have any fragrance I can detect.

Neptune, can you guage the benefits using your brew? It's quite a lot of work so results would have to be good to excellent.

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Post by neptune on 10th August 2012, 21:21

as you know Bruce , I have to deal with the salt air, heavy breezes, bad ph, and soil that looks like beach sand and only being growing roses for three years. In that time, we have won the last two spring champs, got runner up to Graham Wright at the nationals last year and many,many more top honors. This we have done with 48 different roses only. So somewhere along the way the teas must be doing something good for us and the soil. I'm always looking for ways to improve the soil as I feel this is the way to the heart of the rose
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Post by maree on 10th August 2012, 21:33

Betsy , i must admit , i had a giggle to myself and could see the funny side of spraying worm poo around , you've got to admit guys it does sound funny lol !!!
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Post by Jac2 on 10th August 2012, 21:36

David, thanks for the tip, Iíll be careful with potassium sulfate. Havenít actually ever used any, just came across this bit of info when reading about soil.

Thanks, maree for that list of fragrant roses with good resistance. I planted a Baron de Rothschild as well, based on the excellent reports re its disease resistance; everything else on your list is good food for thought.

Ozeboy, if youíre looking for bulk compost material, drive your truck round the back at Woolies or Coles and pick up their fruit and vegie scraps. But if you want to do that, you need first write a letter to management, clearly stating the material is intended for composting and not feed, so that you canít hold them responsible, if your animals get sick.
You are allowed to collect any ďscrapsĒ from the isles, too, and take them through the checkout free. If you see a full scrap bin, you can take things out of there, too, providing the material has not touched the bin.
I havenít gotten around writing to management yet, but will soon, when I start preparing new rose beds in the back for next year. Iíve taken loads of bags of loose lettuce leaves through the checkout, every time I see them. The best opportunity is when you see an assistant sorting, just stand next to them and hold your bags open.
I got this info from Woolies when I saw all that waste and though, I want that stuff.
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Post by Ozeboy on 10th August 2012, 21:59

Thanks Jac2, we have a Woolworths just up the road.

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Post by Jac2 on 10th August 2012, 23:43

Ozeboy, I just hold my bags up at the checkout and say, scraps for the compost, and they pack it up for me.
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Post by maree on 11th August 2012, 02:37

neptune, what sort of roses do you have ? Do you have all tea roses or a mixture of hybrids and teas ?
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 11th August 2012, 07:23

Bruce, why not get your mate to join our forum.
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Post by neptune on 11th August 2012, 09:10

maree wrote:neptune, what sort of roses do you have ? Do you have all tea roses or a mixture of hybrids and teas ?

Hi Maree.......I have all hybrid teas as they perform best here on the coast
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Post by Ozeboy on 11th August 2012, 09:37

David, I will try. He's a bit of a punter and talks regularly with the gardener at the Melbourne races. They have a major Blackspot problem there as well inspite of spraying.

Unfortunatly his wife has just been diagnosed with a big problem so won't burden him anymore until I hear all is OK.

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Post by maree on 11th August 2012, 09:38

Thanks Neptune !!!
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Post by Jac2 on 11th August 2012, 16:45

David, I kept thinking about potassium sulfate today. Just out of curiosity, what can go wrong, if too much is used? Have you had a bad experience with using it?
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Post by neptune on 11th August 2012, 17:16

PNO3 is good in mild doses, but when you overload and the soil and plants can't use it, then you are left with salts behind which will tie up the other elements in the soil and cannot be used for the uptake of the plants. If you live on the coastal plains, they lack potassium because of the sandy soil as compared to further inland , so more is needed there


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Post by Jac2 on 11th August 2012, 20:28

Ah, Neptune, this was an explanation I could copy straight into my soil file. I guess then maybe stay away from it, and use other fertilizers, unless you have no water tank and use town water exclusively.
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Post by neptune on 11th August 2012, 21:40

you don't need to stay away from it as it is good for the roses and encourages bloom time....just don't OD on it
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Post by betsyw on 12th August 2012, 04:49

As I've said elsewhere, some of the best results I've had with younger roses were achieved in potting mix laced with blood & bone PLUS potash, on a !:10 potash/BB ratio (although my rough-guess balancing of mix ratio leaves a lot to be desired). On town water, too.
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Post by Jac2 on 14th August 2012, 10:17

Thanks Neptune and Betsy (double checked spelling compulsively); I love BB and buy it in bulk, but never tried potash; will pick some up next time I see it to give it a go. But maybe thatíll be overkill, because Iíll try worm farming as soon as Iím over this flue (got all the info and ready to go).
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Post by Ozeboy on 14th August 2012, 11:24

No need to buy potash just add wood ash which is about 10% potash.
After burning off all the fallen limbs and blow downs for the year I always end up with quite a lot of fine light grey ash left over. It has some good minerals as well despite the heat and burning.

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Post by Jac2 on 14th August 2012, 11:29

Ahh very interesting, but Iím afraid if I start fires in my suburban yard, Iíll get arrested (well reprimanded).
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Post by Ozeboy on 15th August 2012, 08:21

Jac2 I'm on acres and allowed to burn off.

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Post by Jac2 on 15th August 2012, 19:27

The slightest bit of smoke will set off the fire brigade in the suburbs and then I have to pretend that I didnít know; too much trouble.
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