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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 10:48

Hi everyone.
I a thinking of putting in a row of alternating yellow and red standards in the front of my yard.

At this stage I am thinking suitable roses for the display may be Red Cross (for the reds) and Just Joey, or Pat Austin for the yellows/golds.

Here in the Barossa Valley we have cold winters (I have the fire on as I write this!) and the summers can be very dry and hot. Adelaide weather suits roses really well.

Anyone got ideas on what roses would look good in this display?
Chris


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Post by Carole on 2nd May 2012, 11:31

Hello Chris,
I think your row of yellow and red standards will look fantastic.
I will have to put my thinking cap on for roses but the red cross & pat austin sound good.
I think our weather in Mudgee must be much like yours. We also have a fire going.
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Post by The Estate on 2nd May 2012, 15:47

Golden Celebration is a great one, I have it in a standard and have been very very happy, cheers A great repeat bloomer and smells great Smile
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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 16:04

Thanks Carole and The Estate! I will look up Golden Celebration....

The hardest part of this exercise will be the pulling out of the old roses in that position. There are about 6 there now, and none of them are really healthy. One has reverted to root stock (Blue Moon reverted to that little red rose) and the others were not all that strong or vigorous when we moved here. One will be OK so I am going to try moving it elsewhere.

I understand that we have to dig out all the old soil and replace it with fresh well manured soil to avoid "sick rose soil".
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Post by The Estate on 2nd May 2012, 16:18

Dr Huey , here is a pic of GC

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another fav. is Teasing Georgia , mine is a climber.

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They are not a true yellow, like YELLOW, Freasia is a good true yellow and also I have Golden Showers, that is a nice yellow, not smell though ,

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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 16:28

Yes, Freisia has a delightful scent and is a clear, almost transparent yellow. I am after more of a golden colour to match the house (a Federation era bunglaow). Your Teasing Georgia is gorgeous.

Of course, whether a rose is suited to a standard setting is the issue. Floribundas and miniatures are the ideal.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 2nd May 2012, 17:51

Chris, from what you are saying, the house is 'golden yellow'. If you plant "golden yellow" roses they will fade into the house and the red will dominate.
What is the red you have in mind at present.
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Post by Barbara B on 2nd May 2012, 19:07

Hi,
one of my son's last house but one had alternating standards of Elina and Just Joey. They looked fabulous when they were flowering but I wondered about a few years down the track. They're both large bushes - I wonder how their stems will support a lot of growth.
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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 20:36

roseman wrote:Chris, from what you are saying, the house is 'golden yellow'. If you plant "golden yellow" roses they will fade into the house and the red will dominate.
What is the red you have in mind at present.

Ah no, the house is actually a cream colour, with just a bare hint of a yellow tint. The red roses will match the dark red (a portwine colour) accents. So the reds I am interested in are just the standard deep reds - think Mr Lincoln in colour. Except that Mr L would be too stiff for a standard. Below is a photo of the house and the present roses. On a good day. Smile
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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 20:37

Barbara B wrote:Hi,
one of my son's last house but one had alternating standards of Elina and Just Joey. They looked fabulous when they were flowering but I wondered about a few years down the track. They're both large bushes - I wonder how their stems will support a lot of growth.
Barbara B
Yes Barbara, size is important. I have considered that maybe I need medium sized roses...
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Post by Carole on 2nd May 2012, 20:43

You have got a pretty house Chris.
I am still thinking - the same amount of growth so you dont have one getting heaps bigger than the other , also flowering at the same time for the same length of time.
Gold Medal is a lovely yellow.
Do you want perfume ?
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Post by chrisval7 on 2nd May 2012, 21:47

Carole wrote: I am still thinking - the same amount of growth so you dont have one getting heaps bigger than the other , also flowering at the same time for the same length of time.
Gold Medal is a lovely yellow.
Do you want perfume ?

Perfume would be a bonus, for sure. But the question remains, what would be a good pairing of yellow and red standards, taking into account bloom sizes, growing nature and habit etc.
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Post by OzRose on 2nd May 2012, 23:22

To tell the truth , I'd plant Abracadabra standards. Then you get a bit of everything on the one bush. lol!

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It's always a great talking point amongst visitors to my garden.

I took this pic for you yesterday but the light wasn't that great .
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The yellows are looking a bit faded and pale now but then they have been on the bush now for some 3 weeks ; that's the other amazing thing about this rose - the holding capacity of it's blooms as they open.
A lot of roses go from bud to full blown and petals dropping in less than a week.

This is a pic when it was only a young and it first did it's 3 way split on me.
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I find the red shade rather unusual in as much as it ages to a brick red , sort of shiraz / cab sauv shade rather than aging to the more plummy purple red shades that a lot of other dark red roses take on.

cheers. Rosalie
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Post by Rose-Anna on 3rd May 2012, 00:08

The Abracadabra idea wasnt a bad one to tell the truth Very Happy Its a fantastic little bush that just keeps on flowering and it doesnt grow too big Smile

Otherwise I kind of like "Gold Bunny" as a standard. I was never too happy about Friesia tho.
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Post by chrisval7 on 3rd May 2012, 09:04

I have never heard of Abracadabra! What a fantastic idea. Have they grafted two or three roses onto the one rootstock or something?
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Post by neptune on 3rd May 2012, 09:36

They are a stripey red and yellow color, but they do throw up the occassional straight color.
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Post by rosehipster on 4th May 2012, 09:24

Hi Chris. Hi all. Wave

Dave asked if I could help out here on this one.

My name is Elton and I'm from Treloar Roses. Smile

"Victoria Gold" is a excellent option as a golden yellow. Repeat flowering. Available on standard. Medium size flowers.
It's a floribunda with clusters of flowers, so it looks great on a long stem. Fragrance is very low though.

Matching the flower size is the hard part. I'll see if I can suss out some good matching reds for you. Smile



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Post by Barbara B on 4th May 2012, 09:57

Hi Elton,
welcome to the forum. I agree that Victoria Gold is a good rose. Nice medium size bush and the flowers are just touched with amber sometimes.
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Post by OzRose on 4th May 2012, 13:52

Europeana is a good red floribunda that makes a stunning standard. So does Lil Marlene.
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Post by chrisval7 on 4th May 2012, 16:19

How wonderful to receive all this helpful information! And Elton, it is especially good to have you especially join just to give me this advice. I await your further help.

I am off now to look up all these suggestions.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 4th May 2012, 16:19

Chris, have thought to look at Treloars site and see what standards they carry.
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Post by chrisval7 on 4th May 2012, 16:47

roseman wrote:Chris, have thought to look at Treloars site and see what standards they carry.

Have I ever looked up Treloars site! I am almost classified as a stalker on there!! Very Happy Seriously, it is a good site and sets out the rose information in neat sections.

As I am not too far from Renmark in SA (maybe three hours) I would not mind having a look at David Ruston's too....

We have a rose supplier much closer to home, called Thomas for Roses, and I had thought I might ring them or go over to talk to them. Earlier this year I bought from Thomas's a Raubritter which is doing beautifully.
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Post by Ozeboy on 9th May 2012, 07:40

Chris, I have a 6' Multiflora cane planted in the middle of a bed of HT's.
My wife requested this idea but what to put on it is the hard decision.
The latest brainwave is Flower Carpet Scarlet because I think canes need to be supple and semi weeping for a standard. I have also seen Crepuscule used with good effect, it's a buff coloured rose that suits tree roses very well.

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Post by chrisval7 on 9th May 2012, 08:34

Ozeboy, it sounds like your wife thinks outside the square...how lucky for you both! Yes, standards with a semi-weeping (sweeping?) nature is good.

I have just planted a cl crepuscule and china doll over a large metal arch at the bottom of the yard. I placed it at a gate leading from the yard to the Winter Creek just outside. In a couple of years it should look pretty good.

I will look up Flower Carpet Scarlet.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 9th May 2012, 10:16

A weeping standard Crepuscule is DIVINE. love
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