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Species Rugosa

Post by Ozeboy on 12th November 2011, 17:41

This rose is not on Help Me Find, possibly because it is very very rare. I am not a fan of Rugosa roses but this one could be a very worthwhile breeder. The guy that has a bush of the above has just about every Rugosa and Rugosa Hybrid known.

Does anyone know anything about this plant?

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Post by Ozeboy on 12th November 2011, 17:46

Seem to have missed a line in the heading of the above. The plant is called ' Kamchatika'

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Re: Species Rugosa

Post by Admin on 12th November 2011, 18:31

It is in HMF, Bruce: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Slightly out with the spelling, that's all. Misty Downs sells it as well. It was invloved in the breeding of 'Therese Bugnet' via 'Acicularis' (note: not Rosa acicularis) Arrow 'Pelouses' and Arrow 'Therese Bugnet'

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Post by Admin on 12th November 2011, 18:43

Link to Misty Downs: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Set the class to rugosa and you will see it there Thumbsup

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Post by Ozeboy on 12th November 2011, 18:50

Thanks Simon, can't be much of a breeder with only 16 descendents.

Do you think Misty's would be correct? am still trying to come to terms with their Humes Blush throwing out 3 metre canes all over the place.
Peter Beales shows it as a rounded twiggy looking plant.
I'm not knocking Misty just demonstrating how these old roses go through changes by cross polinating or incorrectly named. Some die out only to resurface again as a lost lost so and so. With your science knowledge could you come up with a DNA data base?

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Post by Admin on 12th November 2011, 19:02

Well... I can actually do gel electrophoresis at work and could work out how to do it.. but I'm not sure it would do any good because even easy to identify rose varieties undergo changes over time.

If it was me, I would go by the name they have and take it on face value that this is the rose going by that name from this outlet and leave it as that. We could spend our whole lives trying to determine whether such and such a rose actually is what they say it is and with rugosa roses setting OP seedlings as easy as they do we may never actually get an answer. I'm in the same boat with 'Francis Dubreuil'... I want to use it in breeding but what do I say it is when I record its lineage. The only thing I can do is record it as FD and make sure that it is known that it was the version in commerce as FD in Australia in any anecdotal notes I can make to go along with it.

For breeding, lots of people in the U.S. use 'Therese Bugnet' instead of this species and I agree with this... no point reinventing the wheel unless you have a different direction you want to take it. 'Therese Bugnet' grows beautifully down here and for Damian in the NSW Highlands, but it is as a cold climate breeder that it excels. I bought mine to put with Teas to see what can be achieved down this line.

NOTE: When looking at the descendants of a rose on HMF and finding none, before assuming that it hasn't been used much go to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and search for it there as well. It may just have lots of references to it that never make it to HMF.

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Post by rosemeadow on 12th November 2011, 20:54

Thats good advice Simon and I will look at that link latter.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 13th November 2011, 06:03


Bruce you mentioned this bit in your post about R. rugosa kamschatica.

The guy that has a bush of the above has just about every Rugosa and Rugosa Hybrid known.

Do you think he might be interested in selling me budwood of his collection. Regards David.

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