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A two-toned beauty

Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 09:31

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Wind and rain ruffled its appearance, but this two colour (two-toned?) rose is unusual and worthwhile. Strong, healthy, grows on its own roots like all my best seedlings do. It has a rim of petals in magenta colour, but a very prominent bright red centre, so the colour shift towards the centre is significant. This effect can be found in pale colour roses, but I admit I din't see it happening so often in the realm of darker colours.
It has a strong mixture of Damask, citrus and orange-blossom perfume.
In its appearance, it dances in between a Tea rose and an English Old rose, but in behaviour, Tea rose ancestry prevails: it's very heat resistant and stays well in vase almost forever.
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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 10:40

Oooooo I do like that rose love
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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Meryl on 10th November 2011, 10:51

Yum. Repeats like a tea?

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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 11:05

Yes Meryl, it's very prolific. And loves warmth too.
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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Meryl on 10th November 2011, 11:15

Lusting after this one. Tell me if it's ever possible.

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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 11:28

Me too Meryl.
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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by Guest on 10th November 2011, 11:30

Me too! Does it have a name?

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Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 11:41

Tish wrote:Me too! Does it have a name?

Yes.
Seedling 2007-50 Very Happy
I have to come up with some name, because I'd love to register it. It well deserves it, if for nothing else than for that alluring, gorgeous perfume.
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Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 11:53

Well you have some sales for it here by the look of it Roses
I would love to be able to grow a rose like that you should be very proud of yourself .
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Post by Balinbear on 10th November 2011, 12:06

Very dark for a Tea. Whats in its ancestry if you don't mind me asking?

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Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 12:14

Gary, it's a second generation Tea, and carries along some other favourable traits of Tea roses, not their typical colour scheme. The colour is inherited from both parents, but the English rose parent colour is more prominent. Extra yellow pigment around the centre tells some interesting genetic play happened (Tea ancestor's colour) and I'm very excited about it.
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Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 13:08

Would you like us to do a trial for you love

Now names - how about

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Post by Meryl on 10th November 2011, 13:53

It should be called "Shot Silk" but that name is taken by a rose much less entitled to it. "Silk Brocade" maybe?

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Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 14:02

Ahahaha Very Happy Thank you for all the ideas.
You wouldn't believe how many lady friends of mine desire their names for this, and few other roses Very Happy
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Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 14:14

I guess that means no then Very Sad

The trial offer still stands . Mudgee is a great place for roses Innocent
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Post by tambralyngar on 10th November 2011, 16:44

I will buy one if it becomes available, (I can trial it here in Qld too if needed Wink )
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Post by Guest on 10th November 2011, 17:06

Ozrosarian - This has to be one of the most amazing roses I've ever seen. If you're selling I'm willing to buy !

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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 10th November 2011, 18:03

What have you started, Zvonimir, you have half a dozen trying to get some of this fantastic rose. Mate, I reckon it should be trialed in the bush(Mudgee) where no one else can see it or pinch any of it. Regards David.
P.S. How have you been.
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Post by Ozrosarian on 10th November 2011, 19:45

Oh my, such wonderful responses! I never expected my roses will be greeted like that thank you all, kindly.
David, I've been fine, thank you. Busy, but garden keeps me sane Smile If you decide to come this way anytime soon, please let me know.
Also, I agree, it's time for trials. Smile
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Post by Carole on 10th November 2011, 19:53

How much ground should I get David to dig Innocent
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Re: A two-toned beauty

Post by RitaG on 12th November 2011, 07:48

Wow!! Knowing that both these new roses of yours have English Blood in them allows me to make this public declaration with gay abandon. Both of your gorgeous creations certainly have that wow factor, Zvonimir! Very Happy

I envy those of you here who have the skill and talent and patience to hybridise your own roses. It must be such a wonderful moment when that much anticipated first bud opens and all of a sudden, you feel your heart miss a beat!

This Sydney based, hopelessly addicted Austinophile would like to put her hand up too when you are ready to either trial or sell Coming up Roses
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 12th November 2011, 08:13

Zvonimir your roses would be in good hands with Rita as she is the 'official' Austinholic on this forum. You have started something big here Zvonimir, how many plants of these 2 do you to share with us.
Are there any more at home that you would like to share(photos). Thumbsup
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Post by RitaG on 12th November 2011, 08:21

Embarassed thank you for the heads up Dave. It seems that there is a long line of takers for these two beauties, which could be too much pressure on the breeder. I like the Austinholic tag Shocked
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Post by Ozrosarian on 12th November 2011, 09:11

roseman wrote:Zvonimir your roses would be in good hands with Rita as she is the 'official' Austinholic on this forum. You have started something big here Zvonimir, how many plants of these 2 do you to share with us.
Are there any more at home that you would like to share(photos). Thumbsup

I love all David Austin roses, for their own sake, but when it comes to living in Australia and using them in breeding programmes, I'm very rigorous about them and don't appreciate them all equally. I simply want to be honest with them and share honestly knowledge I've gathered so far. I've spent some 4 years in WA and some 2 years here closely investigating their behaviour.

DAs, as I can see them, come in generational batches. I can distinguish three batches: one from mid-1960 to early 1980s, then from early 1980s to mid 1990s, and the newest batch since mid 1990s. For breeding I suggest skip the first batch completely (apart from Constance Spry). It's totally unpredictable and wild, will produce lots of sickly offspring. Focus on second, where the blood line and genetics stabilises because DA did lots of crosses inside his own pool. Third batch becomes more of an enigma because DA did further experiments with totally obscured parentage. The parentage of DA roses in this third batch is never disclosed, so we have no idea what's going on there. We have some great plants, so much improved, but lots of unknown.

There's only about a handful of DA roses I'd suggest to be used in breeding programmes here. As said before, most of DAs have complicated background and will invariably produce lots of odd-bods. I have no time for them. If anyhow possible, I thoroughly investigate their bloodline and the blood line of a suitable match. I also try to align them genetically. And for other parent I prefer a Tea, Noisette or a good Alister Clark's. And I don't do any breeding just for the hell of it, or shooting in darkness.

I do have a clear goal to make a half a dozen of good, unique, reasonably healthy, reasonably fragrant roses for the Australia in general sense. To achieve that we must first reduce the number of petals. With these crosses I've managed to halve the number of petals from their English parents and keep lots of good traits of their other parent. And I got some unexpected perks, like that colour shift which still puzzles me, because I have only one specimen and only a number of years of observation which is not enough to draw a clear picture on what we have at hand. That plant changes every year, and becomes a completely different rose each spring. I think I get the idea why it happens, but still need to observe more, learn more.

I'm also after a good foliage and overall beautiful looking plant, so using parents such as Loraine Lee is out of question for me I have yet to see a good looking plant of LL. Some roses are bred just for big flowers, some just for fragrance, some just for excellent remontancy. I want some balance, and I'm looking for parents that provide me such traits.

I hope you don't mind sharing this with you. I apologise in advance, I don't post often, only when I have something worthwhile to share.


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Post by neptune on 12th November 2011, 09:15

and Perth
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