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Using the Oldies

Post by Guest on 18th September 2011, 07:56

I feel using some of those roses bred from late 1800's to around 1920's has some beneficial advantage. Alot of modern roses originating today owe their excistence to these cultivars. Some one said to me once, why breed from those when there are a lot of good modern roses to work with. The reason is, the amount of genetic material from these old roses is in the 0.03% or less, introducing it back into modern day roses sort of gives you a second chance of breeding a great rose all over again.

Here is a cross I did last year Queen Elizabeth X Mme Caroline Testou I am not saying this is a great rose but it is a start to reintroducing the oldies back in this modern age. The bloom is not good quality , but is to demonstrate what can be achieved .

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Post by Ozeboy on 18th September 2011, 09:02

I like that one Warren. Are you putting the seed parent first in your descriptions and the pollen parent second or last in all cases?

My daughter ( Five Star Yuppy in Sydney) bought a dozen roses which I first sighted when visiting yesterday. I accurately measured the stems at
17" long and without a vernier to measure, they looked 6 plus mm in diameter.
The bloom is Tulip shaped 70mm tall and 75mm wide, wait for it I'm saving the best till last. The bloom is a deep shade of brown with some lighter tones. I did take one with about 4 buds on it so within the next 5 minutes will be out budding. Will have to find the thickest Multiflora to put it on as the buds are very large. If these buds take, might have to rethink 2013 pollinating.

Will find out more next week, there may be other deep colours in this range?

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Post by Ozeboy on 18th September 2011, 09:05

The more I think about this large growth and deep colour, might be the the result of GM.

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Post by Dave on 19th September 2011, 06:07

Sounds scary, Bruce! And the perfume is.....?

I've see roses sprayed blue. Maybe they were drinking something (the roses, I mean) Roses

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Post by RitaG on 19th September 2011, 19:26

Sounds perfectly hiddeous Bruce! But, if its an import, then take heart. A friend who used to work for AQUIS told me that all imported cut flowers are bathe in a bucket containing a weak solution of 'roundup' or similar, to ensure that there is no chance of using the wood for breeding stock.

If its the result of GM, I have to ask .... WHY??? What is achieved by gross looking 'monstroses'?
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Post by Dave on 20th September 2011, 06:40

I guess there's a market for them otherwise the industry wouldn't bother. When I was at the Keukenhof gardens a few years ago (where they show the latest and greatest) I was dismayed to see huge tulips and daffodils that could hardly hold up their heads, all way out of proportion.

I vaguely remember buying some super duper extra large freesias a few years ago. When they bloomed the following year they were back to "normal" size. Why?

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Post by Ozeboy on 20th September 2011, 07:43

Everyone is fasinated with them as the growth is so huge. I did measure the stem accurately with a digital vernier and it measured 8.7mm.
The dozen blooms look stunning in the foyer of my daughters home.

I took the bloom into daylight and it is not as brown as first thought but it is the darkest brown/beige I have seen on a rose.

There are 4 buds on the thickest Multiflora I could find, hope one grows and there is pollen in the fridge. Everything about this rose suggests it came from Geracic Park, pardon the spelling.

I hope as Rita mentions it has not been treated to prevent people like me propagating from it for at $5 each someone has a gold mine above the ground.

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Post by AutumnDamask on 20th September 2011, 09:38

Bruce, do you think it may be Terra Nostra?

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Post by Guest on 25th September 2011, 16:49

A David Austin cross with drooping Tea like new foliage.

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