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Post by Bonita18 on 13th August 2011, 21:56

Recently David Ruston visited Pittsworth township which is situated about 45 minutes outside Toowoomba. For some years now I have been most interested in a lone tea rose which grows beside a lone date palm and a lone but large camellia bush. I contacted the rates department to find out the owner of the land to gain permission to take cuttings and to ask the history of the property. The present owner proved to be the grandson of the owner of the old house which stood in this garden. It was demolished about 6 years ago. He played among the rose bushes that his grandparents adored when he was a child. The property dates back to about 1905.
I gave David cuttings large and small, buds from very tight to full colour and most significantly branches with hips which ranged from about the size of a jaffa to hips about the size of an apricot! The blooms ranged in colour greatly from buff to apricot to quite a bright pink.

David thought for a while and then he said Comtesse Riza du Parc Tea and when I looked in the Tea Roses for Warmer Gardens book under that rose I feel sure he is right. It interested me to see that the authors talk about this rose from 1899 - 1920 I think it says and that there was a change in the rose grown under that name. I am curious as to whether other people grow it. Also who was Comtesse Riza du Parc?
Please help.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 14th August 2011, 07:04

Bonita, this is a good find. I have been looking around every thing I can, very hard to find much on Comtesse Riza du Parc. The only thing I found so far is that "Comtesse" is not 'she' it is is 'he'. From my reading so far it is the tittle of the the person that is the equivialant to 'Count' or a 'companion' to royaltity, I will read more later.
HMF mentions it 'could' be 'Dr Grill' here in Austalia
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Post by RitaG on 14th August 2011, 07:34

My understanding is that "Comtesse" = Countess (female) as in Comtesse du Cayla and 'Comte" = Count (male) as in Comte de Chambord.
But its all too confusing as Comte de Chambord turns out to be Mme Boll (female) - ah those French scratch
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Post by Balinbear on 14th August 2011, 17:31

Below are a couple of pics of the "Comtesse Riza du Parc" that we grow.

Its colour can be more apricot or more pink than shown in the photos. Depends on the weather. Ours flowers more or less continuously and in its full flush it is magnificent. Lots of prickles and about 1.5 high.

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Post by Admin on 14th August 2011, 18:04

I tried growing this one from cuttings too and failed... keen to try again.

The Tea book explains that the rose in commerce in Australia probably isn't the real 'CRdP' and has been sold under a variety of names including 'MME Bravy' and 'MME Berkeley' in Australia, 'MME Charles' in the U.S. and 'Dr Grill' in France. We probably should use the naming convention used in the Tea book of "Comtesse Riza du Parc" to indicate that we really don't know what it is.

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Post by Balinbear on 14th August 2011, 19:44

Simon

Its weird. I have managed to stike quite a few in the past but not this year.
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Post by Bonita18 on 14th August 2011, 19:59

I grow Mme Berkley or what I believe is that rose and she sure does not look like ...Riza.....

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Post by Balinbear on 14th August 2011, 20:03

Same here. Nothing like it. Do my pictures of CRdP match the rose you looked at?
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Post by Admin on 14th August 2011, 20:36

Didn't say it looked like it.. just that it has been sold as it in Oz Wink

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Post by Bonita18 on 14th August 2011, 21:17

Yes they do. As well my source stated that the roses were growing there after 1905. That does not mean that it dates from then as it may have been purchased or planted from cuttings from outside Australia later on.

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Post by Admin on 14th August 2011, 21:38

It's a wonderfully beautiful rose by any name love

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