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Post by AutumnDamask on 16th June 2011, 23:05

I took these photos at Castle Howard last year (pretty strong light - pics aren't perfect) and the label on the bush said 'Roseraie De L'Hay'. I am contemplating it for my garden but then started to look up websites and books and am now thinking the label on that bush was wrong? Or am I just confused??

Appreciate any input. Thanks.

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Post by Admin on 17th June 2011, 02:48

Well... it isn't RdLH Wink RdLH is red and double.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 17th June 2011, 06:22

Can I side track for a minute, Yes I say. what is or where is "Castle Howard. scratch
My best guess is it is a rugosa Thumbsup
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Post by AutumnDamask on 17th June 2011, 06:40

roseman wrote:Can I side track for a minute, Yes I say. what is or where is "Castle Howard. scratch
My best guess is it is a rugosa Thumbsup
Heh. I figured the "Rugosa" part on the label was the correct bit. LOL

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 17th June 2011, 06:46

Not a bad weekend retreat roflmao
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Post by larryp on 17th June 2011, 10:07

Yep definitely not RDLH which as Smion says is a double winey, purply crimson, Could be any of the single rugosas, rubra, scabrosa etc.etc.
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Post by Admin on 17th June 2011, 10:55

It looks a bit different to my 'Scabrosa' (which is said to be a rugosa 'Rubra' seedling itself) but I have a feeling you will be unlikely to find an ID for it. Rugosa have a habit of setting seed randomly in a garden and seedlings can be left to grow until they lok like they've always been there and then people come along and wonder what they are and spend years trying to find an ID for them without ever getting close. My 'Scabrosa' makes seedlings under it all the time and 'Ann Endt' is even worse. When my chooks eat the hips off the plants they spread the seed everywhere and I get them coming up in the strangest places. 'Anne Hall', 'Early Blush', and 'Peony Blanc' are all examples of self seeded rugosa roses found in Australian gardens (of Merryle and David Johnson) that have since been released commercially. I've bought 'Anne Hall' this year to play with as well.

On the plus side, there are a few really good 'versions' of rugosa around, if you like the single pinks. 'Scabrosa' is hard to go past IMO and rugosa and rugosa 'Rubra' are also commonly available. A softer pink can be found in 'Frau Dagmar Hastrupp'. Rugosa 'Alba' is a white single version which does beautifully for me and every now and then throws a faint pink flower. 'Ann Endt' is one that is not completely rugosa but has enough of the look to hold its own amongst other rugosa. It's a deep purple and a nice easy-care bush as well. If you are after rugosaish single pink ground covers take a look at 'Max Graf'. It's a very famous rose that gave rise to the 'Kordesii' line and is a hybrid between rugosa and wichurana.

I've been working on miniature rugosa roses but progress on this front is super slow. I have only one seedling that I've kept that is 'Scabrosa' x 'Black Jade' and it is very small but it is 3 years old and I still haven't seen a flower and it doesn't have rugose leaves.If it ever flowers (and some don't ever) I'm hoping to put it back to either rugosa 'Alba' or 'Scabrosa' to try and bring the rugosa back out, albeit in mini Smile

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Post by Balinbear on 17th June 2011, 11:48

Often wondered how Rugosa would go up our way.

Mmme. The horse dosen't really need that paddock!!!!!
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 17th June 2011, 12:35

Not all of the paddock Gary, the horse might share roflmao
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Post by AutumnDamask on 17th June 2011, 17:54

L.O.L.

They'd EAT the roses. (That's if the sheep and alpaca didn't get to them first :p )

And thanks for the input everyone. I was going to order it and then realised the pic was different... ! I do like to know, as a general rule, what I am getting. Spinner
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Post by Admin on 17th June 2011, 18:39

RdLH is a beautiful rose. You would not have been disappointed Wink

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Post by AutumnDamask on 17th June 2011, 19:20

Now that I know which one actually is RdLH I just might get it. Smile
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Post by RitaG on 17th June 2011, 21:07

You won't be disappointed, it certainly is a beautiful rose and it makes a great rounded bush. Here it is in its first year in my garden (pic taken whilst still in its black pot).
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 17th June 2011, 21:23

Ok, we have worked out that you want RdLH,ADamsak, can anyone suggest who might have the best of the best. Is there some one that has older wood than someone else.
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Post by Admin on 17th June 2011, 21:27

What are you asking David scratch

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 17th June 2011, 21:35

To my understanding, if you get wood from the original wood or as close as possible the flower resembles the parent plant.
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Post by RitaG on 17th June 2011, 21:36

Was about to ask David the same thing Simon.

BTW, you can click on the thumbnail for a larger version of the pic above.
I am lucky to be exposed to some very beautiful specimens of Rugosa Roses at the Parramatta Rumsey Heritage Rose Gardens ... at the best they are a sight to behold. I am sure Larry can attest to their beauty in this setting. Not as brilliant as the Roseraie de L'ay in France, but for Parramatta, they sure are a sight for sore eyes.
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Post by AutumnDamask on 17th June 2011, 21:37

Generally speaking, how big would you expect it to grow?
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Post by RitaG on 17th June 2011, 22:56

The bushes in Parra Park seem to be well rounded at a height of 4feet times the same width. These rugosa appear to respond to shape pruning, but are hoplessly horrid looking in winter, bearing their knarly, thorn ridden grey canes. A condition worth enduring for a short period.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 18th June 2011, 06:59

If anyone is still missing my point. What I was trying to say, from my understanding if you can go back to a very old plant of RdLH it will have more of the original genes(jeans) in it and IMO have better colour and possibly folaige. Hope this explains my previous post.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 18th June 2011, 19:04

How old would the RdLH be in Parramatta park be if anyone knows scratch
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Post by larryp on 18th June 2011, 19:32

I've been admiring the rugosas in Parra Park for at least twelve years Dave - how long before that they were planted I dunno

I would endorse Rita's description of them completely' In full leaf and flower in mid to late spring there is no finer sight. Walking around them one is swamped by their exquisite clovey perfumes, the bouyant health of their foliage and hum of the multitude of bees which seem to love them.

I have several rugosas and I would warn anyone considering planting them to be prepared for some months in winter when the rugosas lose their foliage entirely and are for that period the ugliest sight in all rosedom. But as Rita says the spring/summer display is more than adequate compensation

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 18th June 2011, 20:10

Ok Larry would thes rugosa's in Parramatta Park be the oldest that you know of or would 'lozza' have older than that Very Happy
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Post by RitaG on 18th June 2011, 22:04

Roy & Heather Rumsey had been growing species and heritage roses in their nursery for 45 years before they died. Prior to their passing they donated two of every rose that they had to the Parramatta Park Trust who established the Rumsey Heritage Rose Garden and opened it officially in Aug. 1995.

AD - I meant to direct you to a link of a previous post on these gardens which feature some photos of the rugosa beds - this may give you some idea of the size and shape etc. Just click on this link:
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Post by AutumnDamask on 18th June 2011, 22:08

Thank you for the link, Rita!

Looks like I need to make a trip up north...! Photographer
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