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Post by sallybcs on 6th May 2011, 14:52

I was wondering if anyone else was growing this rose. I have a corner spot that is meant to be a focal point and I wanted a large pink tea with good flowering. I decided to try this variety for a number of reasons, but it is THORNY, THORNY, THORNY, the flowers are a challenging shade for an OGR lover and they are not particularly appealing in terms of form.

Has anyone got any experience with this rose, should I wait longer or choose something else?

Any alternative suggestions? I have DdB aready and was looking for something else. I've asked for details on Mrs G. Hart but on another thread it looks yellow.

All help appreciated.
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Post by Balinbear on 6th May 2011, 22:37

Sally

Our Sulmanique is a bit of a wate of space as it takes too much looking after. Comtesse Riza du Parc (as sold in Australia) is a nice Tea. Pale pink colour.

Or if you want something similar to DdB try a Madame Joseph Schwartz (White DdB) which is also sold as Mme De Watteville. It is white with Pink colouring through the flower.

Mrs G Hart is a pale yellow climber. Good fast grower and nice flowerer but needs to grow over something.
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Post by sallybcs on 7th May 2011, 00:54

Thanks very much for that info Balinbear. I appreciate it. I definitely want a pink though, hmm, back to the drawing board. I agree about Sulmanique, it looks like it wants to be coddled. I don't so it is a prickly eyesore at my place.

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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 7th May 2011, 07:18

As this subject has arisen, I had in mind this year to get this rose.

Sally, how long have you had it ? Where did you purchase it please.

Gary, again how old is your one and from whom did it come. The other thouht Gary as you do some cuttings for your garden, do you think it might be better as an own root plant.
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Post by Guest on 7th May 2011, 07:23

hello every one, I have just ordered this from Misty Downs, thought it might be good breeding stock, I would like to know what problems people are having with it.

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Post by Balinbear on 7th May 2011, 07:41

roseman

Ours came from Mysty Downs whose roases normally do well up here.

The plant is somewhat stunted and while the flowers are nice and plentiful in summer the bush has a lot of die back and gets attacked by scale.

As we don't spray and don't fertilise all that much it is probably not the plants fault but there is a couple roses (Teas) that just won't grow for us no matter how much attention we give them. Catherine Mermet and its white form The Bride simply will not grow up here (we have tried them from a couple of spurces and no good).

Out of the Bishop Lodges roses we have only Amelia Anderson (WR SMith) and Ah Mow (a cutting grown one which is still small) have done ok. We have tried plenty and they simply do not grow all that well. Most actually came from Bishops Lodeg so maybe it is the root stock does not like the overly wet summers and humidity.

I do have an Ah Mow cutting growing and may try a couple of the others that we have still in the garden before they are pulled out and replaced by something more reliable.
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Post by Guest on 7th May 2011, 07:45

Balinbear, do you grow Mutabilis or any other China's up your way?

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Post by Ozeboy on 7th May 2011, 11:06

Warren my favourite Tea is G Nabonnand or Jean Ducher, almost thornless.
Grows very well out west and here in Sydney.

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Post by Guest on 7th May 2011, 13:07

Dave I like G Nabonnand, great looking rose and it has some good offspring as well, do you have any spare of this I can get of you?

I can see the this pollinating my (Baronne ed Rothschild X Mme C Testou) would produce something outstanding.

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Post by Ozeboy on 7th May 2011, 18:31

WarrenI have a few 1 year old, can send bareroot next month.

Bruce, Not Dave, there are too many Daves already.

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Post by Guest on 7th May 2011, 19:36

Sorry Bruce about calling you Dave, There are all these Daves so where are all the Dads.

That would be good Bruce, just let me know of the cost and I will fix you up.

cheers warren

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Post by Balinbear on 7th May 2011, 21:28

Warren

Yes the chinas do ok up here. We have Archduke Charles, Arethusa, Beauty of Glenhurst, Bloomfield Abundance (we found this in a paddock and may be a Cecile Brunner Climbing), Mutabilis, Comtesse du Cayla (very small and has not done much), Cramoisi Superieur, Gloire de Rosomanes (I think that this is what it is), Humes Blush, Irene Watts (supposed to be but not sure), L'Ouche, La Vesuve (this is a beauty), Old Blush, Perle D'or, Semperflorens and Serratipetala. Actually surprises me when I list them all out.

We had a nice Mutabilis growing in the garden and got up to about 1.5 metres and suddenly passed away. I picked up another one from a nursery during a clearance. It cost $2 and I planted it (temp at the time) up the back under a gum tree. Gets SFA sun, is planted in very acidic soil right near a huge gum tree and is doing great.

G Nabonnand and its sport Peace 1902 both do well up here also.
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Post by larryp on 8th May 2011, 12:10

Hi there people

Have grown all the Bishop's Lodge roses in my time and almost all have been a complete waste of garden real estate. Sourced all mine direct from Bishop's Lodge - lady there informed me that the budding was done by some travellling rosesmith so that may be the source of the problem. All were very weak plants. Nice enough flowers but growth was very weak - they were garden dogs is a polite way of putting it. I swear I could hear them barking in the early morn.

If you're looking for a pinkish tea ya cannot go past Jean Ducher. Have been in hospital for about ten months of the past few years - had my own reserved bed in Westmead emergency - and she (despite Jean being a bloke's name I prefer to think of Jean as a girl rose) has basically looked after herself. She is now 3M high and about 4M wide and must have a thousand buds and flowers on her. A magniicent sight and her perfume is just lovely. I exaggerate not a whit - would post a pic but have to figue out how this site works with images.

Another pink tea which is magnioficent is Mrs BR Cant. She's a bit more dishevelled than Jean and flings herself all over the place but her flowers are profuse, the colour a gorgeous deeper pink and the perfume is deevoon - to put it mildly.

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Post by Carole on 8th May 2011, 12:46

Hi Larry,
I have to admit that I have never purchased a Bishops Lodge Rose .
However we do have Jean Dutcher and it looks after itself. Great rose.
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th May 2011, 13:32

Carole made a BOO BOO, we do not have it, she will apoligise later, lol!
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Post by The Lazy Rosarian on 8th May 2011, 14:07

Ooooops,
Sorry we do not have Jean Dutcher.
What we have is Comtesse de Labarthe - Duchesse de Brabant.
You can see how I got confused as it also has two names.
Anyway a great rose.

Sorry once again this is Carole I didn't realise that David was logged on.

It just isn't my day, is it.


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Post by Ozeboy on 8th May 2011, 21:25

Warren, I have one year old Mrs B R Cant also, Larry suggested it to me a few years ago and what he said in the post above is all true. Great rose it's my second best Tea love.

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Post by larryp on 9th May 2011, 09:20

Just a few pics of Jean Ducher to see if I can get this imaging process sorted

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A closer look

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An intimate moment - just me and my rose

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Post by Carole on 9th May 2011, 09:39

Well done Larry Clap
That is a lovely rose. I am sure you will enjoy many more intimate times with your roses Roses
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Post by Ozeboy on 9th May 2011, 09:45

See everyone, NO BLACK SPOT THERE.

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Post by Guest on 9th May 2011, 11:06

Beautiful pics of a lovely rose larry! Smile

If tea roses grew like that where I live I would grow many more than I do, but unfortunately they just don't/ won't ('Bon Silene' is doing OK though!!!). Here, the ones I have tried to grow are an absolute mess (mostly mildew & then stunted growth) assuming they even manage to grow at all (too cold & frosty perhaps???)...sadly they are certainly not for everywhere and everyone! Simon once suggested to me that I try & grow teas on their own roots or on some rootstock other than 'Dr Huey' for more success & I think that he might be right about this! My 'Bon Silene' is on multiflora...

I have never grown 'Jean Ducher' but I think I might have to give it a try!!!

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Post by Balinbear on 9th May 2011, 18:43

Got to love the Teas and own roots are always the best.
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Post by Guest on 9th May 2011, 19:06

I am hoping my new 'Lady Hillingdon' takes off next Spring...it is one of my "cannot-live-without" roses. My previous one carked it suddenly and I have no idea why...

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Post by larryp on 11th May 2011, 14:37

If you're at all into Teas this one is a must have - Lady Hilllingdon. Although she hangs her head demurely as befits a lady of her scrupulous virtue - or perhaps it's just a gesture of disdain at having to share a bed with lowly iceberg - whatever the blooms are glorious have a sweet tea smell and she has few thorns.

Had to get on my knees to get this pic - I think that's the position she prefers for us jobbing gardeners.

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Post by Carole on 11th May 2011, 15:07

It's nice to know your place Larry roflmao roflmao
She is a lovely girl and the fact that she has few thorns makes her even more attractive.
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